There is a sentence most physicians are trained never to say. Three words: I don’t know. Thomas Clozel learned early — from Valentin Fuster at Mount Sinai — that those three words are not a confession of failure, but the beginning of discovery.

Thomas is an oncologist, co-founder, and CEO of Owkin. He trained in Strasbourg, then crossed the Atlantic to work under Fuster in cardiology and alongside Olivier Elemento and Ari Melnick at Weill Cornell in computational biology. Ten years ago, he left clinical medicine to build a new kind of superhuman intelligence for biology — on a contrarian bet that chemistry was the confined, solvable problem, and that biology, the messy, causal, unsolved one, was where the real discovery lived.

In this conversation, we trace that arc: from federated learning across the world’s hospitals, to a mesothelioma study that surfaced categories of disease no human had ever named, to Owkin Pro — an AI scientist that, in Thomas’s words, is beginning to have ideas of its own. We discuss why big pharma keeps missing the AI wave, why he thinks Anthropic could be the biggest pharma in five years, why the treatment for Alzheimer’s might one day come from a fifteen-year-old in a garage, and what it will actually take for him to say, someday, that he has succeeded.