Love, Loss & Hallucinations with Scott Schumaker
Love, Loss & Hallucinations with Scott Schumaker
Podcast Description
Welcome to Love, Loss and Hallucinations with Scott Schumaker — a podcast where we start with those three themes and see where the conversation takes us. This podcast is about the beauty and pain of being human, a podcast about finding strength and connection in vulnerability, a podcast to amplify the voices of those who have been through the ringer of life and have wisdom to share, and a podcast about the healing, evolution, and transformation that can happen when you’re willing to lean into the uncomfortable and the unknown.
I’ll be talking with therapists, coaches, world-class athletes, writers, musicians, artists, shamans, plant medicine guides, and everyday who’ve been touched by incredible moments of love, shattered by loss, or altered by the extraordinary.
If you’ve ever felt like your heart was going to explode from either love or loss; if you’re wanting deeper connection in this increasingly lonely world; if you’re curious about plant medicine, or you’ve experienced an out-of-the-ordinary vision...then you’ll feel at home here.
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The show explores themes of emotional healing, personal growth, and the complexities of human relationships. Episodes include conversations about rites of passage with Eli Marienthal focusing on youth development, the intersection of music and self-discovery with Max Rainer, and navigating authenticity and vulnerability with Erika Wright. Each episode emphasizes the power of shared experiences and the role of plant medicine in transformative journeys.
Welcome to Love, Loss and Hallucinations with Scott Schumaker — a podcast where we start with those three themes and see where the conversation takes us. This podcast is about the beauty and pain of being human, a podcast about finding strength and connection in vulnerability, a podcast to amplify the voices of those who have been through the ringer of life and have wisdom to share, and a podcast about the healing, evolution, and transformation that can happen when you’re willing to lean into the uncomfortable and the unknown.
I’ll be talking with therapists, coaches, world-class athletes, writers, musicians, artists, shamans, plant medicine guides, and everyday who’ve been touched by incredible moments of love, shattered by loss, or altered by the extraordinary.
If you’ve ever felt like your heart was going to explode from either love or loss; if you’re wanting deeper connection in this increasingly lonely world; if you’re curious about plant medicine, or you’ve experienced an out-of-the-ordinary vision…then you’ll feel at home here.
In this episode, Scott talks with Jayson Gaddis, relationship expert, author of Getting to Zero, and creator of Interpersonal Intelligence and the Relationship School. Jayson shares how his work evolved from wilderness programs to relationship coaching, and we dive deep into why repair, empathy, and nervous system regulation matter more than being right.
We look at the patterns that derail couples, especially the tendency to defend, fix, or blame when emotions surface. We also discuss therapy, if AI can be used as a relationship tool, and how psychedelics can create insight but do not replace the daily work of real partnership.
Whether you’re working through recurring arguments or hoping to build a more resilient partnership, this conversation offers practical ways to listen, repair, and keep showing up for the relationship.
This thought-provoking and insightful episode includes:
👉Jayson shares how his early work in wilderness therapy and youth programs shaped his understanding of honesty, nature, and group facilitation.
👉In the opening story, Jayson recalls a breakup in a Whole Foods parking lot in Salt Lake City that led to a major realization: “I’m the problem.”
👉Scott and Jayson discuss how men are often conditioned to value being right, knowing the answer, and protecting ego over staying connected.
👉They break down why validating a partner’s feelings is not the same as agreeing with them or admitting fault in a moral sense.
👉Jayson introduces his communication tool, LUFU, which means Listen Until the other person Feels Understood.
👉They talk about taking a pause during conflict, stepping away for a few minutes, and letting the nervous system settle before re-engaging.
👉Jayson explains why repair matters more than apology alone, and why couples should treat repair as a learned skill.
👉The discussion compares individual therapy and couples work, with Jayson arguing that couples work is often the fastest path when the issue is relational.
👉Jayson weighs in on AI as a relationship coach.
👉Psychedelics and plant medicine are framed as sources of insight, but not the be all, end all when it comes to improving relationships.
👉Jayson closes by emphasizing treating a relationship like a piece of art and accepting that the work never fully ends.
JAYSON’S LINKS:
Website | Instagram | The Relationship School
Ellen Boeder’s Substack
SCOTT’S LINKS: Substack | Website | Instagram | Facebook | TikTok
MUSIC – Wilderado, “Surefire (piano)”
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