Holding It Both Ways
Holding It Both Ways
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For leaders navigating the in-between—where inclusion, identity, and impact meet.
Through real human stories and lived experience, each episode offers reflections and insights to help you lead with greater depth, courage, and care.
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The show focuses on themes like internalized misogyny, allyship, and the dynamics of fitting in versus belonging, featuring discussions that reflect on personal stories like the struggles of women in male-dominated industries and emotional processing in leadership roles.

For leaders navigating the in-between—where inclusion, identity, and impact meet.
Through real human stories and lived experience, each episode offers reflections and insights to help you lead with greater depth, courage, and care.
In this episode of Holding It Both Ways, Cynthia Fortlage is joined by leadership coach and Next Level University co-founder Alan Lazaros for a conversation about the tensions great leaders learn to hold.
Drawing on his own journey through loss, ambition, professional success and a life-changing car accident, Alan explores how those experiences shaped the way he thinks about leadership today.
Together, Cynthia and Alan unpack some of leadership’s most important dualities: confidence and humility, empathy and accountability, hard work and smart work, and the ability to see both the bigger picture and what is happening on the front line.
They also explore what changes when teams work virtually, why organisational values need to become more than words on a wall, and how clarity and self-belief influence our ability to lead others.
A thoughtful conversation about why leadership rarely asks us to choose one side or the other. More often, the work is learning how to hold both.
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