Stand in the & with Heather Gates
Stand in the & with Heather Gates
Podcast Description
Stand in the & is a gathering designed to support curiosity, connection, & courage. This podcast is a series of conversations, with people across human-centered industries and life experiences, where we talk about showing up in the complexity of the human experience, where we get stuck, and how we find forward. Whether it’s the squeeze between empathy & accountability, structure & flexibility, hope & frustration, fear & excitement, us & them, or countless other “ands” we encounter. We’re leaning into the messiness. This podcast is a joyful & honest exploration around the nuance and possibility that exists within & among us. I hope you’ll join us!
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The podcast focuses on topics related to human complexity, empathy, accountability, and personal growth. Examples of episodes include discussions on navigating the nuances of motherhood and business, embracing uncertainty, and exploring the importance of curiosity in resolving conflicts and challenges.

Stand in the & is a gathering designed to support curiosity, connection, & courage. This podcast is a series of conversations, with people across human-centered industries and life experiences, where we talk about showing up in the complexity of the human experience, where we get stuck, and how we find forward. Whether it’s the squeeze between empathy & accountability, structure & flexibility, hope & frustration, fear & excitement, us & them, or countless other “ands” we encounter. We’re leaning into the messiness. This podcast is a joyful & honest exploration around the nuance and possibility that exists within & among us. I hope you’ll join us!
In this episode, Heather and Kirsten explore the intricate dance between empathy and accountability in leadership, team dynamics, personal relationships, and with ourselves. They discuss the importance of connection, clear expectations, and the necessity of pre-work in preparing for difficult conversations. They emphasize the value of curiosity, care, and the normalization of discomfort in fostering trust and effective communication all while finding the balance between being empathetic and holding ourselves and others accountable.
Disclaimer: The views and opinions shared in this episode belong solely to the host and the guest and do not necessarily reflect those of their employer or affiliated organizations.
Host: Heather Gates, MPH, Owner & Strategy Partner, Human-Centered Strategy
Guest: Kirsten Cone, Executive Director, Givens Estate
Resources
”Crucial Conversations: Tools for Talking When Stakes Are High” by Joseph Grenny, Kerry Patterson, Ron McMillan
”Crucial Accountability: Tools for Resolve” by Kerry Patterson, Joseph Grenny, David Maxfield, Ron McMillan, Al Switzler
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