What happens when a cancer researcher and Australia's leading voice in play-at-work come together to look at technology? And why do they end up on opposite ends of the scale in their Real Math of Business?Dara Simkin is Australia's leading voice in play at work and the founder of Culture Hero, a learning experience design consultancy specialising in evidence‑based play interventions that strengthen adaptability, collaboration and human capability in an era defined by rapid technological change. She is an expert facilitator and keynote speaker with more than a decade of experience designing experiential learning for organisations across technology, finance, healthcare, retail and the public sector.Tané is a cancer researcher and science communicator. He is the founder of Future Crunch, a group of scientists, artists, researchers and entrepreneurs that believes science and technology are creating a world that is more peaceful, connected and abundant. Their mission is to foster intelligent, optimistic thinking about the future, and to empower people to contribute to a 21st century that works for everyone.In this insightful conversation, Alena Bennett hosts Dara Simpkin and Tane Hunter to explore AI, better workplaces, and the concept of the 'Real Math of Business.' They discuss how understanding the logic, systems, and structures behind business operations can lead to better decision-making, healthier work environments, and sustainable growth. The episode emphasises the importance of human-centric approaches, the impact of culture, and the need to rethink traditional business paradigms in the age of rapid technological change.To grab a copy of Full Stack Human:https://www.fullstackhumanbook.com/To reach out to Dara:https://www.linkedin.com/in/dara-simkin-culture-hero/https://www.culturehero.co/To reach out to Tāne:https://www.linkedin.com/in/tanehunter/https://www.futurecrunch.com/?utm_source=ig&utm_medium=social&utm_content=link_in_bio&fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQMMjU2MjgxMDQwNTU4AAGnWZBa67qyZaFiaqWVD5wZlynCEILg8b1N4sRqqQxz_oRA9KlnliribnOtTWg_aem_k0sYPCCP2H658Z3qPTQtlQChapters00:00 Thought Provoking Question02:37 Chat with Dara and Tāne05:38 Understanding the Need for Authenticity08:35 The Impact of Technology on Humanity11:27 The Role of Science Communication14:16 The Journey to Thriving16:57 Empowerment Through Intentionality17:18 Paleolithic Emotions and Modern Technology20:15 Culture Change: Beyond Nice Behavior23:02 The Infrastructure of Business Culture25:50 Technology's Role in Work Culture29:00 Historical Perspectives on Work and Productivity32:55 The Integration Imperative36:26 Building Capacity in Challenging Environments39:45 The Real Math of Business42:23 Empowering Personal Agency44:06 Understanding Business Growth50:00 Conclusion and Key Takeaways