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In August last year we had the opportunity to sit down and have a converation with Peter Enns. Peter's insights regarding certainty have inspired much of Jeff's work. We decided to share that conversation with you again. Enjoy.

Every day feels like a forced-choice quiz: left or right, religious or secular, believer or skeptic, my people or your people. We want a different way to live, so we invited Bible scholar, author, and The Bible for Normal People co-founder Pete Enns to help us name what so many of us feel but rarely say out loud: certainty can become a trap, and honesty can be the first real step toward healing.

We talk about why admitting “I don’t know” is not a failure of faith, but a move toward authenticity. Pete connects spiritual doubt to the deeper reality that the world itself is saturated with mystery, from quantum physics to consciousness to the limits of language about God. We wrestle with Pascal’s wager, the role of intuition and experience in Bible interpretation, and why treating the Bible like a simple rulebook often collapses under its own weight.

The conversation gets practical and personal: what happens when certainty-driven communities push back, and what kinds of churches or communities actually make room for questioners. Pete shares why he remains Christian after so much deconstruction, how liturgical practice can “honor the head without living in it,” and why the cross was not just painful but profoundly shameful in the ancient world. That scandal flips power on its head, and it should challenge any attempt to use Christianity as control.

If you are navigating faith deconstruction, religious trauma, progressive Christianity, agnosticism, or just trying to find common ground with people you love, this one is for you. Subscribe, share with a friend who is tired of the sides, and leave a review with the question you are still carrying.

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