In this episode, we sit down with Daniele Dell’Erba — organisational psychologist, management consultant, professor, and musician — to explore what truly drives change in organisations.

Daniele has spent over two decades facilitating transformation across global Fortune 500 companies, helping leaders navigate the human side of change. From boardrooms to business schools, his work bridges psychology and management, focusing on how people make sense of disruption — and how we can make that process less stressful, more meaningful, and even creative.

We talk about why simplifying change communication matters more than perfect plans, how AI is redefining identity and purpose at work, and why the future of leadership lies in empathy, steady nerves, and adaptability.

Daniele also shares how his experience as an improvisational musician shapes his approach to change — reminding us that leadership is often about finding harmony in uncertainty.

Talking Points:

• Psychology applied to change and cultural transformation.
• Why people resist change — and how to help them make sense of it.
• What AI means for identity, work, and meaning.
• How to build agility in large organisations without losing stability.
• What leaders can learn from improvisation and music.

Tune in for a thought-provoking conversation about change, leadership, and the future of work — from someone who’s been guiding transformation for over 25 years.

Do you want to bring these practices into your organisation? Reach out at [email protected] or visit kholo.co to start the conversation.