Inverted Product Management Podcast
Inverted Product Management Podcast
Podcast Description
This podcast series explores topics related to the creation and use of product in the areas of Security, privacy, online safety, infrastructure security etc. We call these people Inverted Product people because the primary goals for these product people are somehow inverted: success is "when nothing happens". There are fundamental differences in metrics, strategies, personas, communication, and road mapping from the ones of “traditional product teams”
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The show delves into unique topics surrounding security product management, such as the Critical Attacker Journey, the measurement of 'badness' in systems, and the contrast between user engagement and threat prevention. Episodes provide actionable insights, with examples such as the phases of an attacker journey and the concept of the Invisible Line in metrics.

This podcast series explores topics related to the creation and use of product in the areas of Security, privacy, online safety, infrastructure security etc. We call these people Inverted Product people because the primary goals for these product people are somehow inverted: success is “when nothing happens”. There are fundamental differences in metrics, strategies, personas, communication, and road mapping from the ones of “traditional product teams”
In this compelling episode of The Inverted Podcast, host Jeroen Kemperman is joined by co-hosts Dario Salice and Dana Kaufman, along with special guest Olivia, a travel content creator based in Switzerland. Olivia bravely shares her firsthand experience of being hacked—a story that highlights the real-world risks faced by digital creators and the importance of robust online security.Listeners will hear Olivia recount how a targeted phishing email, disguised as a legitimate collaboration request from a well-known brand, led to her Google and YouTube accounts being compromised. Despite having multiple layers of security, including two-factor authentication and backup recovery keys, Olivia describes how the attacker swiftly removed her access and the emotional impact of watching her accounts slip away in real time.
The episode explores:
- The tactics used by hackers to exploit creators’ excitement and trust
- The limitations of current recovery methods and security features
- The critical lessons learned about digital vigilance and account protection
- Practical advice for creators and product builders to improve security and user empathy
Olivia’s story is a powerful reminder that even well-informed users can fall victim to sophisticated attacks. The hosts discuss how platforms and users alike can adapt to evolving threats, and Olivia offers actionable tips for anyone managing important online accounts.
Be sure to check out Olivia’s travel content on:
📱https://www.instagram.com/olliechinny
📱https://www.youtube.com/olliechinny
Tune in for an honest, insightful conversation that will help you rethink your own digital security practices and inspire product teams to build safer, more empathetic experiences.
If you’re interested in real-world security strategies, zero trust, and the evolving challenges facing media organizations, this episode is a must-listen.
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