Traditional hiring is broken. When candidates can use AI to ace technical interviews, are they cheating or just using the same tools they'll use on the job? The answer reveals a deeper truth: we're no longer hiring humans, we're hiring human+AI systems.

With Wiktor Żołnowski (CEO, Pragmatic Coders) and Łukasz Wróbel (founder, Job for Agent), we explore how companies are adapting. Some like Google return to in-person interviews. Others like Canva embrace AI and test for judgment instead of syntax. The question isn't whether to allow AI in hiring, but what skills actually matter when AI handles the rest.

We discuss partial versus full automation, why ”impossible is the new hard,” and what makes humans valuable in a world where everyone has access to the same models. The skills that matter: systems thinking, accountability, high agency, and the ability to judge and filter what AI generates.

Episode length: ~45 minutes

Resources mentioned:

• Fiverr CEO ”impossible is the new hard”: https://x.com/michakaufman/status/1909610844008161380
• Canva on AI in interviews: https://www.canva.dev/blog/engineering/yes-you-can-use-ai-in-our-interviews/
• Partial vs full automation study: https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/8E5639CE583F586A8096A01A8D072290/S1365100521000031a.pdf/automation-partial-and-full.pdf
• Humans Need Not Apply (CGP Grey): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU