The Relational Podcast
The Relational Podcast
Podcast Description
Because behind every system, movement, and meaningful change… lies a relationship. What if the most transformative tool at our disposal isn’t a strategy, a policy, or new technology—but a conversation?Welcome to The Relational Podcast, a series of authentic dialogues exploring how our connections—human to human, human to planet—shape the way we think, work, and create impact. Each episode is a living experiment in reciprocity and deep listening. Members of the Wasan community step into two powerful roles: interviewer and interviewee. Together, we explore personal stories, deep insights, and practical experiences of how relationality can reshape systems and unlock new possibilities for collective transformation.🎧 Tune in and discover:Stories of meaningful change from facilitators, researchers, and community builders.Insights into the invisible forces of connection and trust that sustain change.Real conversations that invite us to slow down, reflect, and reconnect—with ourselves, with each other, and with the systems we seek to shift.This podcast is more than conversations—it’s an invitation to listen deeply and discover the profound impact of relationships.Because when we transform our relationships, we transform our world.Content by members of the Wasan community:David Jay · Jane Wei · Sonja Betschart · Christine Lai · Ese Emerhi · Lily James Olds · Ana Amrein Esnaola · Catherine Dempsey · Melanie Kahl · Georgie Nightingall · Sumitra Pasupathy · Fabian Pfortmüller · Meg Busse · Avani Parekh · Rachel SinhaProduction by Efecto Colibrí: Efecto Colibrí blends storytelling, social innovation, and the power of relationships to produce and distribute original and partner podcasts that bridge communities and sectors, shift mindsets, and spark action toward a more just, diverse, and regenerative future. https://efectocolibri.com/en/
Podcast Insights
Content Themes
The podcast centers on themes of relationality, social change, and community dynamics, with episodes exploring personal stories and insights from facilitators, researchers, and community builders. Specific examples include discussions on the importance of deep listening, the role of relationships in crisis situations, and the shift from action-oriented leadership to relational strategies that yield sustainable results.

Because behind every system, movement, and meaningful change… lies a relationship.
What if the most transformative tool at our disposal isn’t a strategy, a policy, or new technology—but a conversation?
Welcome to The Relational Podcast, a series of authentic dialogues exploring how our connections—human to human, human to planet—shape the way we think, work, and create impact.
Each episode is a living experiment in reciprocity and deep listening. Members of the Wasan community step into two powerful roles: interviewer and interviewee. Together, we explore personal stories, deep insights, and practical experiences of how relationality can reshape systems and unlock new possibilities for collective transformation.
🎧 Tune in and discover:
- Stories of meaningful change from facilitators, researchers, and community builders.
- Insights into the invisible forces of connection and trust that sustain change.
- Real conversations that invite us to slow down, reflect, and reconnect—with ourselves, with each other, and with the systems we seek to shift.
This podcast is more than conversations—it’s an invitation to listen deeply and discover the profound impact of relationships.
Because when we transform our relationships, we transform our world.
Content by members of the Wasan community:
David Jay · Jane Wei · Sonja Betschart · Christine Lai · Ese Emerhi · Lily James Olds · Ana Amrein Esnaola · Catherine Dempsey · Melanie Kahl · Georgie Nightingall · Sumitra Pasupathy · Fabian Pfortmüller · Meg Busse · Avani Parekh · Rachel Sinha
Production by Efecto Colibrí: Efecto Colibrí blends storytelling, social innovation, and the power of relationships to produce and distribute original and partner podcasts that bridge communities and sectors, shift mindsets, and spark action toward a more just, diverse, and regenerative future. https://efectocolibri.com/en/
In this episode of the Relational Podcast, host Rachel Sinha is joined by David Jay, author of ‘Relationality: How Moving from Transactional to Transformational Relationships Can Reshape Our Lonely World.’
The discussion explores the transformative power of deep listening and meaningful relationships in addressing societal crises. David shares his journey from founding asexuality.org to advocating for relational ecosystems in movements and workplaces. Key concepts discussed include relational invisibility, the impact of personal storytelling, and the importance of creating environments where relationships can thrive. David emphasizes releasing control to allow relationships to evolve naturally and offers insights into how relational approaches can solve complex problems more effectively than top-down strategies.
00:47 Welcoming David Jay
01:56 David Jay’s Journey and Work
05:41 Defining Relationality
08:55 Creating Relational Environments
12:32 Relational Systems and Social Movements
16:30 Challenges and Skepticism
21:10 Practical Advice for Building Relationships
24:47 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
A big shout-out to the Wasan community for bringing us together – especially Meg Busse, Rachel Sinha, Christine Lai and Melanie Kahl, facilitators of the “Making the Case for Relationality” huddle.
We appreciate your role in fostering this conversation.Thank you for tuning in! By sharing this episode and letting others know what inspired you, you help expand the community of co-creators building a more compassionate world.
Dive deeper into our work at efectocolibri.com and join us in sparking the collective change we all envision. We value your voice—together, we can empower social innovation.Conceived and co-created during a Wasan Network small group in partnership with Huddlecraft. Wasan is a global network of social impact and philanthropy practitioners who believe that relationships sit at the center of social change. Learn more: https://www.wasan-network.org/
Production and dissemination by Efecto Colibrí: Efecto Colibrí blends storytelling, social innovation, and the power of relationships to produce and distribute original and partner podcasts that bridge communities and sectors, shift mindsets, and spark action toward a more just, diverse, and regenerative future. Learn more https://efectocolibri.com/en/
Artwork by Anjali Chandrashekar. https://anjalic.com/About

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