Pain Points with Max Shen
Pain Points with Max Shen
Podcast Description
Are you a brain in a body, or a body with a brain? What does the nervous system have to do with chronic pain? How do we 'debug' pain?
Join Max as he explores the relationship between pain and insight. Featuring scientists, pioneers in somatic therapy, and those who have recovered from chronic pain.
Max Shen is a pain researcher affiliated with MIT. He is also the creator of Debug Your Pain, a platform to teach skills in pain resolution.
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Content Themes
The podcast explores a variety of topics surrounding pain science, somatic therapy, and personal recovery stories. Notable episodes cover themes such as the relationship between pain and cognition, the constraints-led approach in movement coaching, and discussions on biological computation as it relates to health. Specific episode examples include interviews discussing the fallacies of traditional training models in sports and the role of intention in movement.

Are you a brain in a body, or a body with a brain? What does the nervous system have to do with chronic pain? How do we ‘debug’ pain?
Join Max as he explores the relationship between pain and insight. Featuring scientists, pioneers in somatic therapy, and those who have recovered from chronic pain.
Max Shen is a pain researcher affiliated with MIT. He is also the creator of Debug Your Pain, a platform to teach skills in pain resolution.
A production of Debug Your Pain. Read our latest at essays.debugyourpain.com
Elena Lake was a math major at MIT who later transitioned from her software engineering career into bodywork. We talk about her journey, and the role of perception in bodywork.
Episode Outline — Elena Lake: From Engineering to Regenerative Touch
00:00:00 Introduction and Early Background 00:01:00 Trauma, Mental Health, and Limits of Talk Therapy 00:02:00 First Encounters with Touch and Somatic Relief 00:03:30 Massage School as a Foundation, Not a Revelation 00:10:00 Qualities of Touch, Trance States, and Sensory Depth 00:12:00 Advanced Touch Perception 00:14:00 Lineages of Somatics and Extreme Sensitivity 00:18:00 Developing “Regenerative Touch” 00:21:00 Awareness, Attention, and Where People Live in Their Bodies 00:23:00 Practice as Research and the Role of Presence 00:25:00 Models of Pain: Continuity, Tangles, and the Camel’s Back
You can find out more about Elena through her website.
If you’re convinced of the role of the nervous system in perpetuating pain and other symptoms but are having weak results pursuing it on your own, feel free to reach out to [email protected].
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