Some people collect stories. Rio has survived them.

In 1998, when he was barely old enough to walk, his parents hid him somewhere in their Jakarta apartment, a room, a box, they still can't agree on the detail, while Chinese-Indonesian homes and businesses were being destroyed in some of the worst racial riots in Southeast Asian history. His father, one of only four Chinese students ever admitted to the ”MIT of Indonesia,” was beaten, bullied, and called slurs his entire childhood. He fought off five men in a single afternoon. And somehow, Rio says, his dad never let a single drop of that hatred live inside him.

That lesson shaped everything.

At 13, Rio won a one-in-thousands scholarship to Singapore. By his late twenties, he was walking away from three corporate jobs to start a company from scratch. And less than 24 hours before his own wedding, instead of rehearsing vows or greeting family, he was at his co-founder's apartment writing code, a decision he admits he still hadn't fully explained to the woman he was about to marry.

Then came Maui. A four-day babymoon. Day two, something felt off. What started as a precautionary ER visit ended with a private medical jet flying below 30,000 feet to Oahu, five days of praying his wife could hold on, and their son Rafael arriving four months early at two pounds, lungs too small to make a single sound.

In this conversation, Rio walks through all three chapters, the riots, the wedding-day bet, and the NICU, and what it actually costs to come out of each one softer instead of harder.

If you've ever had to be the ”stable one” while the world quietly fell apart, this episode will stay with you.