Most careers take unpredictable turns, but what if embracing the winding road could unlock your true potential? In this compelling episode, Richard Pharro, CEO of APMG, shares the surprising stories behind his diverse journey from civil engineering abroad to transforming professional certification on a global scale.  

Discover how working across cultures, navigating unexpected challenges, and staying curious shaped a leader who thrives outside the line of expectation. 

We break down the importance of cognitive diversity, collaborative leadership, and the human skills that AI can’t replicate; traits that will be more vital than ever in the future of work. Richard reveals invaluable lessons learned through bold projects like the London Docklands and how a simple swimming pool plan became his defining moment in making a meaningful difference.