In this episode, I revisit my 2008 interview with Gene Hodges, then CEO of Websense, conducted during my time as a journalist at Dataquest.

Hodges made a striking observation that feels even more relevant today: cybersecurity threats were shifting from attacking infrastructure to targeting data itself.

The conversation explores:

• Why attackers no longer wanted systems to fail—but wanted them to run quietly while stealing data

• The limitations of perimeter and device-centric security models

• The early rise of data-centric and information assurance strategies

• Web security challenges emerging from Web 2.0 and user-generated content

• How enterprises and governments needed to rethink security architectures

Websense’s own journey mirrors this shift. Founded in 1994 and public by 2000, the company was later acquired by Vista Equity Partners in 2013 and subsequently by Raytheon in 2015, leading to its evolution and rebranding as Forcepoint a data-first security company.

This episode is part of my ongoing effort to curate and revive archival interviews with global technology leaders, originally published in Dataquest, and reinterpret them for today’s digital and AI-driven era using Google NotebookLM.

Disclaimer: This episode is an AI-curated interpretation based on my original Dataquest interview, recreated using Google NotebookLM; views reflect the context of the time, and minor transcription or interpretation errors may exist.