Behind the Checkout
Behind the Checkout
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Gr4vy’s Behind the Checkout is your pass to the evolving world of payments. In each episode, we sit down with industry leaders, innovators, and disruptors to explore the latest trends, challenges, and breakthroughs shaping the future of payments. Tune in and rethink payments with us. Gr4vy is a no-code payment orchestration platform that empowers enterprises with full control to automate, customize and optimize their payment strategy effortlessly.
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The podcast covers themes related to digital payment trends, industry challenges, and future developments, with episodes like Wallet Wars 2.0 discussing digital wallet competition and What's hot in Payments? focusing on emerging payment methods and orchestration best practices, ensuring listeners stay informed about critical shifts in commerce.

Gr4vy’s Behind the Checkout is your pass to the evolving world of payments. In each episode, we sit down with industry leaders, innovators, and disruptors to explore the latest trends, challenges, and breakthroughs shaping the future of payments. Tune in and rethink payments with us. Gr4vy is a no-code payment orchestration platform that empowers enterprises with full control to automate, customize and optimize their payment strategy effortlessly.
Why is card-not-present (CNP) interchange still higher—despite major advancements in online payment security? In this episode of Behind the Checkout, Gr4vy CEO John Lunn is joined by Anand Goel, Founder & CEO of Optimized Payments, to explore the outdated logic behind today’s interchange fees.
They discuss how tokenization, 3DS2, and strong customer authentication have reshaped CNP security, why legacy fee structures haven’t caught up, and what a risk-based, modern interchange model could look like. Whether you’re a merchant, issuer, acquirer, or payments strategist, this conversation offers fresh insights into the economics and politics of digital transactions.

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