The Other Side of the Chart
The Other Side of the Chart
Podcast Description
A podcast exploring how we design healthcare systems with patients — not just around them. Through candid conversations with patients, clinicians, and healthcare leaders, the show reveals what works, what doesn't, and what’s possible when we build systems that serve people on both sides of the chart.
Topics include patient-centered innovation, medical documentation, palliative care, and the intersection of technology, operations, and policy.
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The podcast explores themes of patient-centered innovation, medical documentation, palliative care, and the intersection of technology, operations, and policy, with episodes highlighting personal narratives like Dalia’s experiences as a lifelong patient and discussions on the implications of clinical documentation with guests like Dr. Kevin Larson.
A podcast exploring how we design healthcare systems with patients — not just around them. Through candid conversations with patients, clinicians, and healthcare leaders, the show reveals what works, what doesn’t, and what’s possible when we build systems that serve people on both sides of the chart.
Topics include patient-centered innovation, medical documentation, palliative care, and the intersection of technology, operations, and policy.
In this episode of The Other Side of the Chart, host Dr. Jill Goldenberg sits down with Dr. Kevin Larsen, Senior Vice President of Clinical Innovation and former leader at CMS and ONC, to explore the evolution of medical documentation, from handwritten charts to AI-generated notes.
Together, they unpack how documentation has shifted from a clinician’s memory aid to a complex record serving patients, payers, regulators, and more. The conversation spans the promise and pitfalls of OpenNotes, the elusive goal of a true longitudinal care plan, and the early “Nokia cell phone” stage of ambient AI in healthcare.
With stories from his career leading health systems, policy, and innovation, Dr. Larsen reflects on how documentation can either widen the distance between people or bring them closer together. At its core, the discussion asks: Who is the medical note really for and how can it better serve patients and clinicians alike?
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