Join us for a conversation with Rev. David W. Swanson where you’ll learn more about what discipleship is, how you can understand race and justice as part of Christian discipleship, and how interacting with social media can be shaped by Christian discipleship.

00:00 – Introduction

02:22 – Patreon

02:54 – What is discipleship?

05:43 – What do we leave behind for Jesus?

09:40 – Individual and communal discipleship

14:09 – Understanding race as part of our discipleship journey

18:25 – Personal journey to understanding race as part of discipleship

22:16 – How church context influences understandings of race and discipleship

24:25 – Responsibility of church leaders in discipleship

34:18 – From cheap diversity to true solidarity

37:38 – Discipleship in crisis and non-crisis moments

43:09 – Discipleship on social media

52:20 – Additional resources

Find us online:

Website – https://www.biblicaljusticeresources.com/ 

Instagram – @biblicaljusticeresources

YouTube – https://www.youtube.com/@biblicaljusticeresources 

Patreon – https://patreon.com/BiblicalJusticeResources 

Links:

Rediscipling the White Church – https://www.ivpress.com/rediscipling-the-white-church 

Posture Shift – https://postureshift.com/ 

Roadmap to Reconciliation – https://www.ivpress.com/roadmap-to-reconciliation-2-0 

Plundered – https://www.ivpress.com/plundered 

Brenda Salter McNeil – https://spu.edu/academics/seattle-pacific-seminary/emeriti/salter-mcneil-brenda 

The Anti-Greed Gospel – https://bakerpublishinggroup.com/products/9781587436307_the-anti-greed-gospel 

Minnesota Historical Society – https://www.mnhs.org/ 

Sankofa @ Home (history of race and racism in Minnesota) – https://transformmn.org/portfolio/sankofa-at-home/ 

Related episodes:

Justice, Evangelism, and Cultural Engagement – https://www.biblicaljusticeresources.com/podcast-archive/2026/3/3/ep-37-justice-evangelism-and-cultural-engagement-with-rev-dr-song-chan-rah 

De-Centering Whiteness and Learning How to Follow – https://www.biblicaljusticeresources.com/podcast-archive/2026/1/20/ep-31-de-centering-whiteness-and-learning-how-to-follow-with-rev-dr-rose-lee-norman 

Racial Justice for the Long Haul – https://www.biblicaljusticeresources.com/podcast-archive/2026/1/6/ep-29-racial-justice-for-the-long-haul-with-dr-christine-jeske