In this episode of On Creative Writing, guest host Su Chan sits down with debut novelist Ann Cavlovic to discuss her powerful and timely novel, Count On Me, published by Guernica Editions in 2025. Su is also an author and her debut novel The Immortal Woman was published in 2025 by House of Anansi.

Count on Me centers on Tia Pysar, a mother who finds herself at the crossroads of caregiving, financial responsibility, and family conflict as her parents age. The novel delves deeply into the often-unspoken realities of the sandwich generation—those who are simultaneously caring for their children and their aging parents. Through Tia’s experiences, Ann explores the complexities of intergenerational trauma, the emotional and logistical challenges of elder care, and the subtle but devastating forms of elder abuse that can occur within families.

Ann reveals how her background in economics and her own personal experiences as a caregiver informed the novel’s narrative and themes. She discusses the ways in which financial control and dependency can become tools of manipulation or even abuse, and how these issues are frequently overlooked both in literature and in real life. Ann’s nuanced portrayal of elder abuse—ranging from neglect to more insidious forms of control—invites readers to confront uncomfortable truths about aging, vulnerability, and the responsibilities we owe to our loved ones.

One of the most striking aspects of Count On Me is its willingness to tackle subjects that are rarely explored in contemporary fiction. Elder abuse and end-of-life care are topics that many people shy away from, both in their personal lives and in the stories they choose to read. There is a cultural reluctance to face the realities of aging and the difficult decisions that come with it, and as Ann and Su discuss, this silence can perpetuate cycles of harm and misunderstanding. By bringing these issues to the forefront, Ann hopes to spark honest conversations about what it means to care for our elders, how to recognize and prevent abuse, and how to prepare—emotionally and financially—for the inevitable changes that come with aging.

Ann shares her disciplined writing process, explaining how she managed to craft a novel while balancing the demands of single motherhood and a professional career. She offers practical advice for writers who are juggling multiple responsibilities, emphasizing the importance of setting realistic goals, carving out dedicated writing time, and seeking support from friends and family.

Throughout the episode, Su and Ann reflect on the power of fiction to illuminate difficult subjects and foster empathy. They discuss how novels like Count On Me can serve as catalysts for change, encouraging readers to examine their own family dynamics and to have the tough conversations that are so often avoided.

Ann’s hope is that her book will not only entertain but also educate and empower readers to take proactive steps in their own lives—whether that means checking in on an elderly relative, seeking legal advice about power of attorney, or simply starting a dialogue about aging and care.

This episode of On Creative Writing is a must-listen for anyone interested in the intersection of literature, family, and social issues. Ann Cavlovic’s Count On Me is a brave and compassionate exploration of topics that are too often left in the shadows, and her conversation with Su Chang offers valuable insights for writers, caregivers, and readers alike. This episode underscores how fiction can shine a light on the realities we’d rather not face—and why it’s so important that we do.

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Ann Cavlovic

Count on Me

Ann Cavlovic on writing

Su Chang

The Immortal Woman

Su Chang on writing.