Do Human Work
Do Human Work
Podcast Description
Do Human Work is a forward-looking exploration of the future of cybersecurity through the lens of AI with an emphasis on enabling people to do work that’s creative, meaningful, and strategic. Each episode highlights people, their time, and how AI can empower us to focus on what matters most in cybersecurity operations.
Podcast Insights
Content Themes
The podcast covers themes such as the integration of AI in security operations, leadership transformation, and reclaiming creativity in cybersecurity workforces, with episodes like 'From Sleep to Strategy' focusing on human engagement and AI's impact on compliance and detection workflows, and 'From Burnout to Breakthrough' examining the transformative power of AI agents in Security Operations Centers.

Do Human Work is a forward-looking exploration of the future of cybersecurity through the lens of AI with an emphasis on enabling people to do work that’s creative, meaningful, and strategic. Each episode highlights people, their time, and how AI can empower us to focus on what matters most in cybersecurity operations.
Ray Espinoza cut false positives 80% at Workday and alert volume 70% at Atmosera, fighting alert fatigue years before the industry had a name for it.
Now leading information security at Elite Technology, after building eBay’s first global security event response team and Workday’s first customer-facing SOC, he argues that AI has finally caught up to that fight. Nate Burke and Lior Div catch him at Black Hat 2026, where the conversation swings into the Hugging Face sandbox scare and open-weight models handing nation-state capability to any threat actor with a laptop.
Impactful Moments
00:00 – Introduction
02:25 – Meet Ray Espinoza: CISO, Coach, Mentor
04:05 – From Keeping eBay Alive to Defending It
05:55 – The Parallels Between Coaching Football and Running Security
09:50 – What Hasn’t Changed Since the Dot Com Days
13:20 – Inside the Hugging Face Incident and Sandbox Escapes
18:20 – “This Has to Be the Worst Version of Myself Here Today”
20:45 – The Alert Fatigue Lesson: Why Turning Everything On Backfired
23:45 – From Pyramid to Loop: Building Self-Improving Security
25:50 – Is AI Finally the Weapon That Ends Alert Fatigue?
27:10 – What Should Stay Human, No Matter How Good AI Gets
28:40 – The Magic Wand Question: More Time in the Pacific Northwest
29:45 – Ray’s Cybersecurity Bucket List
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