In The Money: eCommerce, DTC, and CPG
In The Money: eCommerce, DTC, and CPG
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A podcast about the real economics of ecommerce, DTC, and CPG. Hosted by Fan Bi, In The Money features honest convos with the people building, growing, and investing in modern consumer brands.
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The podcast explores themes such as career development in CPG, investment strategies, brand growth, and market dynamics, with specific episodes diving into topics like the intricacies of building a successful brand without heavy advertising and the importance of product-market fit before large-scale retail expansion.

A podcast about the real economics of ecommerce, DTC, and CPG. Hosted by Fan Bi, In The Money features honest convos with the people building, growing, and investing in modern consumer brands.
What happens when a made-to-order brand tries to sell custom shirts online and discovers that guys won't do homework before buying clothes?
Kirk Keel, Co-Founder of Stantt, joins In The Money to trace one of the more honest origin stories in menswear: a DTC-first vision that quietly died at checkout, a flea market in Chelsea that accidentally proved the model, and a decade of wholesale growth through Nordstrom, Saks, and Dillard's that nobody originally planned for.
Now they've come full circle, and Meta is finally working.
We cover:
- Why made-to-order hasn't gone mainstream (and what it would take)
- The Chelsea Market moment that changed everything
- How Stantt went from DTC-only to wholesale-first almost by accident
- Why their original pricing model was completely wrong for retail, and how they fixed it
- The double hit of de minimis removal and tariffs: how Stantt navigated 20-25% price increases
- Why bootstrapping longer is advice Kirk wishes he'd taken
- Sell-through as the only metric that actually matters in retail
- The shipping optimization that quietly drove their biggest margin gains
- Why DTC is finally working after years of struggle: Meta, AI, PDPs, and product photography
- Expanding from shirts into suits, tuxedos, and tailored clothing
- What's coming in 2026: new retailers, international tests, and a DTC push with real momentum
If you're building in apparel, menswear, or any inventory-based business thinking about the made-to-order model, this episode is worth your time.

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