In this compelling episode of the J29 Coalition Podcast, Pastor David Swanson and Pastor Michael Agapito offer rich and contrasting pastoral perspectives on navigating politics, polarization, and discipleship in deeply different ministry contexts—Chicago’s South Side and rural Southern Illinois. David, leading a multiracial congregation in a historically underrepresented neighborhood, shares how the Black church tradition has shaped a pragmatic, justice-oriented engagement with politics. Michael, serving in a historically sundown town, speaks vulnerably about pastoring a predominantly white congregation as a non-anxious presence and ambassador of the Kingdom of God. Together, they offer theological insights, pastoral strategies, and honest reflections on how Christian leaders can equip their communities to engage civic life faithfully, curiously, and with spiritual maturity.

David W. Swanson is the founding pastor of New Community Covenant Church, a multiracial congregation located on the South Side of Chicago. He is also the founder of New Community Outreach, a nonprofit ministry focused on youth reconciliation and trauma healing. A graduate of North Park Theological Seminary, David serves within the Evangelical Covenant Church and is the author of Rediscipling the White Church: From Cheap Diversity to True Solidarity. With a heart for racial justice, holistic discipleship, and neighborhood-rooted ministry, David brings deep theological reflection and practical pastoral experience to today’s most pressing cultural challenges.

Michael Agapito is the lead pastor of Craneville Baptist Church in Southern Illinois. A thoughtful and mission-minded pastor, Michael ministers in a predominantly white, rural community with a complex racial history. Drawing from his American Baptist tradition and a personal commitment to cross-cultural discipleship, he approaches ministry with humility, curiosity, and courage. Michael frequently engages in public conversations about how the church can navigate partisan polarization and embody the love and justice of the Kingdom of God. Online, he’s known as “The Confessing Millennial,” where he offers nuanced reflections on politics, faith, and formation.

This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit blog.j29coalition.com