Content Warning: This episode includes discussions of our guest’s personal experience of the 2026 war in Israel and Iran. It also references war, abuse, domestic violence, concentration camps, and trauma responses related to 9/11. Please use your discretion when deciding whether or not to listen.

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Preorder Thomas Hübl‘s newest book Attuned

Preorder Laurence Heller’s newest book Healing Shame and Guilt

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Trauma is more broadly and culturally seen, discussed, and understood today than it has ever been. Yet, it’s often still widely understood as something personal—something that belongs to an individual’s experience. What might become available to all of us, though, when we begin to recognize how deeply trauma is shaped—even held—by the relational and collective contexts we live in?

In this episode of The Aliveness Project: Conversations on Connection, host Iris McAlpin Garrett sits down with collective trauma expert and teacher Dr. Thomas Hübl and NARM founder Dr. Laurence Heller to explore the intersection of individual and collective trauma and the role of relationships in how trauma is carried, lived out, and healed.

This episode offers a grounded and wide-ranging conversation on how we are both impacted and supported by our relationships, and what it means to stay connected to ourselves and each other while working with individual and collective trauma. Join us as we explore the role of triggers and protective patterns as entry points for our process, how personal pain is always a part of the larger field we live in, and how spirituality often plays an important role in healing both individual and collective trauma.

🎧 The Aliveness Project: Conversations on Connection is created and produced by the NARM Training Institute.
🎬 Post-production, editing, and audio mixing/mastering by Tim Skipper (IG: @timmyskip).

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About Thomas Hübl:

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

He is the author of the new book Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma—and Our World, and Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. Thomas has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

You can find Thomas Hübl at https://thomashuebl.com or on social media…

IG: @thomashuebl
FB: https://www.facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/
LI: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomashuebl/
YouTube: @thomashuebl

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About Laurence Heller:

Laurence Heller, PhD, is the creator of the NeuroAffective Relational Model® (NARM®), founder of the NARM Training Institute, international trainer, and co-author of Healing Developmental Trauma: How Early Trauma Affects Self-Regulation, Self-Image and the Capacity for Relationship, now published in fifteen different languages. Dr. Heller has a PhD in clinical psychology and has conducted NARM trainings and case consultations for thousands of therapists throughout the United States and Europe. He is the co-author of the new book Healing Shame and Guilt, available now wherever books are sold.

You can find Larry and the NARM Training Institute at https://narmtraining.com/, https://drlaurenceheller.com/, or on social media…

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/narm-training-institute
YouTube: @NARMTrainingInstitute
IG:  @narmtraininginstitute
FB: https://www.facebook.com/NARMTraining

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Special Thanks
To the NARM Training Institute team—Lindsey Smith, Olga Piontkowski, Emily Scott, and Tue Kjær—for invaluable production support, and to Tim Skipper for his outstanding post-production, editing, and creative work.