Second Order
Second Order
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Hosted by two Stanford graduate students, Neha and Elsa, Second Order explores the mental models and skills that make us better entrepreneurs. Through deep conversations with experts who’ve built, led, or studied what actually works, we go beyond the highlight reel to unpack the habits, frameworks, and decisions that drive meaningful impact. If you're building something (or thinking about it) this is your space to think a layer deeper.
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The podcast focuses on entrepreneurial mental models, decision-making frameworks, and impactful habits, with episodes exploring storytelling's role in leadership, the utility of OKRs in startups, and the importance of vulnerability in team dynamics.
Hosted by two Stanford graduate students, Neha and Elsa, Second Order explores the mental models and skills that make us better entrepreneurs. Through deep conversations with experts who’ve built, led, or studied what actually works, we go beyond the highlight reel to unpack the habits, frameworks, and decisions that drive meaningful impact. If you’re building something (or thinking about it) this is your space to think a layer deeper.
In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Matt Lungren, Chief Scientific Officer at Microsoft Health & Life Sciences and former Stanford radiologist, to explore how AI is truly reshaping healthcare—beyond the buzzwords.
We discuss how Microsoft’s new multi-agent orchestration frameworks could change the game for hospitals—turning tools like Teams into intelligent ecosystems where agents collaborate across radiology, pathology, and clinical trials. Matt breaks down why integration now matters more than innovation, how startups can avoid building “features” instead of products, and what it really takes to cross the “last mile” into hospital deployment.
The conversation goes deep on AI governance, compliance, and the future of agentic systems, while offering blunt, practical advice for entrepreneurs: why raising capital isn’t a milestone, why distribution is everything, and how to know if you’ve built something users can’t live without.
From wearables and precision medicine to personalized therapies and real-time data, this episode reveals where the next decade of healthcare AI is headed—and how founders, clinicians, and technologists can shape it.
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