Agentic DevOps
Agentic DevOps
Podcast Description
Where LLMs, AI Agents, and MCP tools meet DevOps. How can we humans use non-deterministic, often hallucinating LLMs to automate our infrastructure and help us with the job of software lifecycle management? I’m Bret Fisher, and this is the Agentic DevOps podcast. After the invention of AI Agents and the MCP standard in late 2024, I started this podcast in early '25 with a narrow topic focus… to document and advise how AI Agents, MCP tools, and large language models can be used in the real world for assisting with DevOps automation, platform engineering, and day to day systems operations… a podcast series hopefully without the hand-wavy AI hype or dreams of a pure AI workforce. I'm joined by my co-host, Nirmal Metha, and expert guests trying to make use of crazy texting robots.
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The podcast focuses on topics related to DevOps automation, platform engineering, and systems operations, with specific episodes exploring how AI agents can assist in deployment processes, the role of MCP tools in infrastructure management, and practical applications of LLMs in software lifecycle management. It aims to provide actionable advice while avoiding unrealistic expectations about AI capabilities.
Where LLMs, AI Agents, and MCP tools meet DevOps. How can we humans use non-deterministic, often hallucinating LLMs to automate our infrastructure and help us with the job of software lifecycle management? I’m Bret Fisher, and this is the Agentic DevOps podcast. After the invention of AI Agents and the MCP standard in late 2024, I started this podcast in early ’25 with a narrow topic focus… to document and advise how AI Agents, MCP tools, and large language models can be used in the real world for assisting with DevOps automation, platform engineering, and day to day systems operations… a podcast series hopefully without the hand-wavy AI hype or dreams of a pure AI workforce. I’m joined by my co-host, Nirmal Metha, and expert guests trying to make use of crazy texting robots.
Bret and Nirmal discuss the intersection of AI agents and DevOps with Solomon Hykes, co-founder of Dagger and Docker. Solomon introduces Container Use, an open-source MCP server that gives coding agents isolated, containerized environments to work in, solving the critical problem of agents interfering with each other when running on the same system.
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Also in this episode, we explore how AI agents are forcing a fundamental shift in CI/CD practices, with Solomon making the case that traditional CI/CD as we know it will disappear because agents develop 100x faster than humans and can’t tolerate slow, unrepeatable build processes. Container Use enables developers to run multiple coding agents in parallel, each in their own sandboxed environment.
We examine the emerging MCP ecosystem and its potential trajectory, drawing parallels to how containers evolved from developer tools to infrastructure platforms. Solomon warns about the rapid “gatekeeping” phase already happening with MCP, where vendors rush to lock down and monetize what started as an open developer innovation space.
Other topics we touch on are: the four core components of agentic workflows, security challenges with untrusted text injection (the new “SQL injection” problem), token cost management, and the importance of balancing proprietary AI services with open-source infrastructure layers.
Check out the video podcast version here: https://youtu.be/ZSbCPIAKGlc
Creators & Guests
- Bret Fisher – Host
- Beth Fisher – Producer
- Cristi Cotovan – Editor
- Nirmal Mehta – Host
- Solomon Hykes – Guest
- (00:00) – Intro
- (07:11) – MCP Server and Integration
- (16:57) – Future of CI/CD and Agentic Workflows
- (20:22) – Four Areas of Concern
- (26:15) – The New Gatekeepers
- (47:09) – Token Costs vs Efficiency
- (48:49) – Balancing Open Source and Proprietary Systems
- (49:27) – The Rise of Kubernetes and MCP
- (50:21) – Security Concerns with LLMs and MCP
- (55:39) – Advice for Developers in a Rapidly Changing Landscape
- (59:11) – Introducing Container Use into Your Workflow
- (01:02:29) – The Future of AI and DevOps
- (01:09:17) – Coding Agent Blind Spots
- (01:13:43) – Scaling with Dagger and Kubernetes
- (01:15:47) – The Dagger Community
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