Creating Value in Schools
Creating Value in Schools
Podcast Description
How can we make schools more sustainable – in all senses of the word? How can school leaders promote a sustainable way of working? Make best use of our resources, in a way that’s good for people and planet? In conversation with school leaders, we exchange insights and ideas.
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Explores themes of sustainability in schools, diversity and inclusion strategies, income generation, and leadership challenges with episodes addressing school-community engagement and creating positive organizational cultures.

How can we make schools more sustainable – in all senses of the word? How can school leaders promote a sustainable way of working? Make best use of our resources, in a way that’s good for people and planet? In conversation with educators, we exchange insights and ideas. Hosted by Liz Worthen, an educator, researcher and writer, whose career in education spans teaching, training and content development. For more from the Creating Value in Schools community, visit www.createvalueschools.com
Host Liz Worthen welcomes Nickii Messer to discuss imposter syndrome, how it shows up in school roles, and practical ways to challenge the ‘confidence gremlins’.
Nickii shares how self-doubt nearly stopped her becoming chair of governors for two schools, and explores how imposter thoughts link to the ‘Ps’ of perfectionism, procrastination, perspective and panic.
They talk about:
- Challenging the gremlin voice through reflective practice
- Celebrating achievements and accepting ‘good enough’ where appropriate
- Reframing the ‘comfort-stretch-panic’ model as ‘comfort-gremlin-magic’
- Creating safe leadership cultures where asking for help is normal
- Being 10% braver.
“You can let the brakes help you slow down to check for hazards, but don’t let them stop you.”
Nickii Messer of All the Geese is a school business management and leadership specialist, providing training, development and mentoring expertise. She’s also chair of governors of two schools.
Liz Worthen’s career in education spans teaching, training, commissioning and programme development. Creating Value in Schools is all about sustainable working: taking care of people, planet and resources to secure better outcomes for children and communities.
Links and resources
- Sign up for the Creating Value in Schools newsletter: http://eepurl.com/i2429o
- Karl Rohnke’s Comfort, Stretch, Panic model: https://www.crowe-associates.co.uk/coaching-tools/comfort-stretch-panic-coaching-tool/
- Nickii Messer on honest conversations: https://createvalueschools.com/blog/call-them-honest-conversations-to-empower-understand-and-resolve/
- Ready to grow? Professional development suggestions: https://createvalueschools.com/need-to-know/professional-development-opportunities-for-sbms/
- Find recommended reads in the Creating Value in Schools bookshop: https://uk.bookshop.org/shop/createvalueschools
Chapters
00:00 Welcome and Topic Setup
01:08 Nickii’s Imposter Story
03:51 What Is Imposter Syndrome
06:42 Mentoring and Common Patterns
10:18 Solo Strategies and Perspective
12:15 Comfort Stretch Panic Model
13:46 Perfectionism and High Achievers
16:35 Leading Through Self Doubt
18:46 Affirmations and Culture Shifts
20:53 Failure Lessons and Social Comparison
23:01 Books and Being 10% Braver
27:39 Final Takeaways and Goodbye

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