In this conversation, Ariel interviews Dr. Orin Davis to explore the science of ”Flow” – the state of complete immersion and energized focus often described as ”being in the zone”. Orin breaks down the characteristics of flow, its relationship with happiness, and how to identify the activities that help you cultivate it. They discuss the differences between flow and meditation and offer a critical look at how modern schools and workplaces may inhibit optimal performance. They explore real-world examples of flow in tennis, chess, coding, and dancing. Finally, they discuss ”microflow” – salvaging optimal experiences in short bursts even under suboptimal conditions.

Guest

Dr. Orin Davis studied under Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi and is holder of the first doctorate awarded in Positive Psychology, a lecturer at Columbia University, and Principal Investigator of the Quality of Life Laboratory. You can find more about his work at qllab.org.

Timestamps

00:00 Introduction to Positive Psychology and Flow

01:49 Understanding Flow: Definition and Characteristics

04:22 The Spectrum of Flow Experiences

06:02 Flow and Happiness

07:49 Frequency and Spillover Effects of Flow

10:06 The Nature of Flow: Struggle and Enjoyment

12:59 Flow vs. Mastery: Short-term vs. Long-term Satisfaction

14:40 Flow and Meditation: Similarities and Differences

17:48 Effort and Enjoyment: The Balance in Flow

20:21 The Importance of Doing for Its Own Sake

22:48 Work-Life Balance and the Startup Culture

27:32 Cultivating Flow: Tips and Strategies

30:08 The Art of Collaboration in Dance

31:01 Flow in Physical vs. Intellectual Activities

33:33 The Impact of Distractions on Flow

36:46 Rethinking Education for Flow Experiences

40:11 Grouping in Schools and Flow Opportunities

44:20 Understanding Microflow

48:03 Flow When Playing Chess & Volleyball

53:40 Benefits of Microflow in Daily Life

58:19 Creating Opportunities for Flow at Work