In this conversation, William Fruin and Chris discuss the complexities of trauma, substance abuse, and recovery, particularly in the context of Native American communities. They explore the impact of generational trauma, the stigma surrounding mental health, and the importance of vulnerability in healing. The discussion also touches on the journey of recovery, the significance of relationships, and the transformative power of asking for help. Through personal anecdotes and insights, they emphasize the need for connection and the courage it takes to confront one’s struggles.