The Freight Debate
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The Freight Debate is where industry disruptors and innovators collide.Each episode, we challenge the status quo, explore bold ideas, and break down the biggest shifts shaping ocean and air logistics. From tackling market volatility and pricing transparency to uncovering the tech and trends redefining global trade, we bring real talk, real insights, and real solutions. With expert insights and fresh perspectives, this is the podcast for those who don’t just navigate change—they drive it.
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This podcast covers themes related to ocean and air logistics, focusing on critical issues such as market volatility, pricing transparency, and technological advancements. Notable episodes include discussions about US port fees affecting Chinese shipping and insights into alliance strategies for supply chain optimization.

The Freight Debate is where industry disruptors and innovators collide.
Each episode, we challenge the status quo, explore bold ideas, and break down the biggest shifts shaping ocean and air logistics. From tackling market volatility and pricing transparency to uncovering the tech and trends redefining global trade, we bring real talk, real insights, and real solutions. With expert insights and fresh perspectives, this is the podcast for those who don’t just navigate change—they drive it.
In this episode of The Freight Debate, host Philip Hennessey sits down with Xeneta Senior Analyst Emily Stausbøll to unpack the current state of global shipping and its increasingly unpredictable pricing landscape. With the return of tariff volatility and collapsing freight demand on key routes, tariff volatility and freight demand are two of the most critical issues shippers face in 2025.
Tariff volatility and freight demand continue to rattle supply chains across industries. In this episode, Philip and Emily explore what recent policy shifts—particularly the U.S. tariff letters aimed at China, the EU, and Brazil—actually mean for global logistics. They also dig into how shippers are reacting differently compared to earlier shocks like the “Liberation Day” rate surge in April.Key insights from the episode:
- How newly proposed tariffs (and the fear of enforcement) have impacted demand, even without implementation
- Why shippers seem more desensitized to 10–30% duties than ever before
- How early front-loading has reduced panic responses to new policy threats
- The lag between policy announcements and cost impacts—why it’s hurting even when tariffs are paused
Emily breaks down the shifting dynamics in regional shipping routes. While the Far East to U.S. West Coast lane has seen a steep 57% decline in spot rates since June, North Europe lanes are surging—up 37%—due to congestion, labor disputes, and late vessel arrivals. These contradictory moves reveal just how fragmented global shipping has become, and why understanding demand fundamentals is more important than ever.Also discussed:
- The recent “calm” in rate activity, and why it might be a deceptive lull
- May’s surprising record-high global TEU movement—and why it didn’t sustain
- What port congestion tells us about carrier strategy and capacity imbalance
- How shippers can (and should) prepare for 2026 budgets amid ongoing volatility
Philip and Emily emphasize the importance of using market data and forward-looking rate indexes to avoid getting blindsided by short-term spikes or dips. They outline how shippers can use Xeneta’s spot and contract rate data to better plan for uncertain quarters ahead—and why relying on index-linked contracts could offer more pricing resilience.
If you’re involved in procurement, ocean logistics, or executive supply chain planning, this episode will sharpen your understanding of the forces shaping freight rates globally. From tariffs to trade policy, from congestion to contracts, you’ll walk away with a clearer view of what’s next—and what to do about it.

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