ATD: All Things Divorce
ATD: All Things Divorce
Podcast Description
Join Founder of Merel Family Law Jonathan Merel and his guests as they talk through everything from divorce, relationships, legal miscues and pop culture on ATD: All Things Divorce.
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The podcast focuses on a variety of themes including divorce processes, relationship dynamics, legal challenges, and pop culture references, with episodes that discuss real-life experiences alongside professional insights. Examples include featuring relationship experts discussing the psychological aspects of divorce and financial advisors outlining common mistakes made during separation.

Join Founder of Merel Family Law Jonathan Merel and his guests as they talk through everything from divorce, relationships, legal miscues and pop culture on ATD: All Things Divorce.
A divorce practice doesn’t scale because you win arguments. It scales because you learn how to run the business without losing your edge in the courtroom. We sit down with Utah family law attorney Marco Brown, founder of Brown Family Law, to unpack how a kid from Cold Bay, Alaska (population roughly 85) became the most prolific divorce lawyer in his state and why he still says he hates divorce even while making a career out of guiding people through it.
We get candid about law school myths and the reality most lawyers discover too late: prestige matters for a tiny fraction of jobs, and legal education rarely teaches the practical skills that decide your future. We talk about what actually moves the needle in family law: communication, negotiation, emotional control, and the willingness to learn skills like pricing, profitability, and leadership. Marco shares the moment he realized that being “Lawyer of the Year” didn’t fix cash flow, health, or stress and why that pushed him to study law firm management like a craft.
From there, we dive into growth strategy: how COVID created an opening for firms willing to invest, why Marco prioritized becoming exceptional at sales and closing, and how he systematizes client intake with scripts and a repeatable consultation “play.” We also discuss the hardest part of expanding beyond one state: hiring the right people, the expensive lesson of a bad hire in Arizona, and how he approaches future expansion with tighter standards. We wrap with Marco’s approach to LinkedIn for lawyers, not as a lead machine, but as a way to teach, connect, and raise the level for other attorneys.
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