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Imagine if every person who used an AI also helped design the next version of it. That’s the future MG Alcock is building toward—one conversation at a time. We sit down with the technologist, cultural strategist, and writer to unpack “perspective economics,” the idea that human experience is the scarce asset modern systems need to learn safely and well. From his early days shaping Disney’s internet era to crafting future‑focused narratives for Microsoft’s global CIO summits, MG shows how real change depends on dialogue that people actually trust.

We get practical fast: why the standard pipeline (collect, clean, train, run, repeat) fails at the edge of human systems; how to create the perception of dialogue so high‑stakes rooms stop posturing and start listening; and what happens when companies over‑automate and later rehire for perspective. MG shares field stories that stick—near‑dark factories that still needed five people to make sense of anomalies, a services firm that held at 100 humans because below that, the work lost meaning and resilience. The throughline is clear: perspective isn’t ornamental; it’s operational.

MG also reveals the world of his sci‑fi novel, Ogun Shogun, where an AI named Big Al (look closely at the letters) enacts a “Compact of Perspectives v3” and a free market for perspectives drives better systems. It’s a story designed to seed policy, normalize new roles, and help a wider audience tolerate the future without waiting for crisis. We talk trust, governance, and the hard parts—misinformation, low‑quality signals, polarized incentives—and why learning cultures must feel safe before they can be curious.

If you care about AI alignment, organizational change, storytelling that moves policy, or simply how to stay human as tools get smarter, this conversation is your map and your wake‑up call. Subscribe, share with a friend who leads through change, and leave a review with the one perspective you think today’s AI most needs to learn.

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