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Well, when it comes to the vista? Perhaps not, but when we’re talking about dissecting what you see when it comes to storytelling, real-life crime-based content (in this case, Crisis Negotiation) and why what you see on TV/in Movies or via Streaming isn’t always “the way it is in real life” – WhatCopsWatch.Com has you covered with this episode!

The Crisis Cop (and Crisis Negotiator Trainer) Lt. Pat Doering, Iowa State Police Sgt. and Crisis Negotiator Michael Clyde and OG Podcaster and Crisis Negotiator Role Player Mike Wilkerson give you some of the greatest ligh bulb moments that reaction content has to offer!

Are YOU ready to learn more about the entertainment you take in when it comes to effective policing? Ready to learn more about the HUMANS behind the duty belt and badge?

It’s time for a Perspective Review of Hawaii Five-O, Season 8, Episode 13 – “What is Gone is GOne” via WhatCopsWatch on The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network.

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Timestamps for This Episode:
06:15 Starting WhatCopsWatch with Mystic River Episode
13:24 Explaining perpetual advertising benefits

18:51 Focus on listening during negotiations

26:17 Negotiator and Steve’s territorial clash

28:32 Involving mental health professionals in negotiations

36:46 Lessons learned from crisis negotiation

38:20 Talking to people in crisis situations

47:28 Technology changing tactical operations

52:00 Command decisions in hostage scenarios

55:27 Discussing mental health support options

59:32 Brad’s struggles and proving his innocence

01:06:52 Using an odd question to reset negotiations

01:11:14 Lou’s Support Group in Chicago

01:16:59 Importance of mutual understanding in teams

01:24:49 TV format shift and internet’s role

01:26:28 Finding personal insights in reviews

01:31:45 Requesting feedback on WhatCopsWatch.com

Questions from This Episode:

*How does the portrayal of crisis negotiation in this episode of Hawaii 5-0 compare to real-life practices, according to Michael Clyde and Pat Doering? Where does Hollywood get it right or wrong? (23:41, 25:26)
What are the risks and consequences of showing law enforcement officers making unsafe choices during negotiations, such as approaching a vehicle barricade too closely, as discussed in the episode? (23:41, 24:10)
Reflect on the depiction of trauma and mental health among officers in the episode. How did the show use Lou’s backstory to highlight these issues, and how did Pat Doering and Michael Clyde react to it? (33:38, 53:58)
What are the challenges negotiators face when outcomes are not successful? How do Pat Doering and Michael Clyde emphasize dealing with “losing cases”? (35:14, 38:12)
Discuss the role and importance of teamwork between negotiators and tactical teams. What strategies do Michael Clyde and Pat Doering recommend for building better collaboration? (01:16:14, 01:18:15)
How does the rapid resolution of cases and evidence processing in television (the “CSI effect”) affect public expectations of policing, as mentioned by the hosts? (33:02, 01:01:02)
In the episode, mental health for both suspects and officers plays a key role. How should police respond to or support officers dealing with trauma? What resources were discussed as helpful? (56:27)
What commentary do the hosts provide on the pissing matches (power struggles) frequently depicted between negotiators and SWAT or tactical leaders in Hollywood? How accurate is this, and what do real teams do instead? (26:30, 27:11)
After a negotiation ends, what does “good closure” look like for both the subject and the team, according to Michael Clyde and Pat Doering? How does this differ from the abrupt TV ending? (01:13:15)
What did Mike Wilkerson, Pat Doering, and Michael Clyde identify as both the “goods” and “bads” in this episode’s depiction of crisis negotiation? Which points resonated most with you and why? (01:20:31, 01:23:01)

Links from this Episode:

The Theme Songs from Hawaii Five-0!:

The Original Hawaii Five-0 Theme Song (from the late 1960’s): https://youtu.be/CpxJsy8nfjA?t=25
The Hawaii Five-0 Theme Song (from the 2010’s): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNCu4Uh-JqU

Crisis Cop Podcast & Related Sites:

Crisis Cop Podcast: https://crisiscop.com
Complete Crisis Cop Podcast Library: https://crisiscoppodcast.com

Role Player & Crisis Negotiation Training:

Blue Baggers Project – Professional role players for crisis negotiation training: https://bluebaggersproject.com

Episode Details

TV Show: Hawaii Five-0
Episode Discussed: Season 8, Episode 13, “What is Gone is Gone”
Original Air Date: January 2018
Streaming Link: Paramount+ Hawaii Five-0
Official Episode Info: IMDb – Hawaii Five-0 S8E13

Guest & Host Info

Michael Clyde:
Sergeant, Iowa State Patrol/Crisis Negotiator
LinkedIn Profile
Pat Doering:
Founder, The Crisis Cop Podcast
Crisiscop.com – Crisis negotiation resources, podcast, training info
Mike Wilkerson:
Host, WhatCopsWatch.com
WhatCopsWatch.com – Full show archive, contact form

Highlighted Topics & External Resources

Crisis Negotiation

National Council for Crisis Negotiation
FBI Crisis Negotiation Unit

988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline

988lifeline.org
Call or Text: 988 (US Only)

Role-Playing for Negotiator Training

BlueBaggersProject.com – Role-player resources for law enforcement crisis negotiators

Role-Playing for Negotiator Training

BlueBaggersProject.com – Role-player resources for law enforcement crisis negotiators

Referenced Shows & Episodes

Referenced Past Episodes

Criminal Minds S1E5 – Our Perspective Review with Dr. Morgan Krumeich!
WhatCopsWatch – Mystic River Episode

Related Shows

The Shield
Ocean’s Eleven (2001)

Further Reading & Learning

Books on Crisis Negotiation:

“Stalling for Time: My Life as an FBI Hostage Negotiator” by Gary Noesner (Amazon link)

Suicide Prevention & Mental Health

The Bridge Documentary (Golden Gate Bridge)
National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI)

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2GuysTalking – Podcast production and perpetual advertising
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— What do YOU think of storytelling that we are given nowadays inside of what Hollywood shovels to us? Tell us now!

— What did YOU think of the long-running television series, Hawaii Five-O? Tell us now!

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