So welcome to episode 13 of the Midlife Reset podcast. I’m Cheryl Gordon, and I educate midlife women on sleeping better, feeling stronger, and losing weight using the tools of yoga and mindfulness. We release a new episode of this podcast every week, so be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss anything. And, you know, share with your friends. We’re really committed to supporting midlife women to rock the most exciting phase of their lives.

So let’s share with our girlfriends. Now one of the biggest bonuses I’ve enjoyed since starting this podcast, not even a full two months ago, is the chance to talk with other amazing women. So here’s the story. I reached out to today’s guest because I thought our community of midlife women might be interested in a conversation about osteopathy. And if you ever, ever, ever doubt, the that the universe has your back, girlfriend, this is something you wanna catch for sure.

Once we started to get to know each other, today’s guest and myself, I discovered a true kindred spirit. And we quickly left the dry medical descriptions of soft tissue work and stuff, and we dove into these great explorations of spirituality and intuition and living our most authentic lives. And it was definitely a guiding force that led me to this fascinating women woman that you’re about to meet. And we are all gonna be vibrating a little more intensely after sharing in her love and wisdom. So I’d like to welcome Shira Keller to our show.

She is an osteopath, a mom of three, and a fascinating woman. And we have so much to talk about, Shira, but let’s start with your day job. Could you please fill us in on what an osteopath is? First of all, Shira, thank you so much. That was such a kind and warm introduction, and I’m just so honored that you reached out to me and to be here.

So thank you so much. I mean, one of my biggest passions I have a bunch of passions, but one of them is definitely osteopathy. And the way I look at osteopathy is like a human mechanic. So you have a body. You have a car.

All of a sudden, the car light goes on or it’s making this funny noise or you have a body and all of a sudden, you have an ache here and a pain there. So you take your car into the shop or you take your body to your osteopath. And the point of the car mechanic is to say, okay. I know you have this light here, but the problem is not with the light bulb. Right?

I am a whiz at cars. I’m gonna open up the front, open up the back, look at the tires, look at the this is, look at the dots, and figure out where is the problem really coming from. Oh, and by the way, you know that sound you hear sometimes when you make a left turn and how that light flicker, the well, the things, those are actually related. So in the same way, our bodies are related, and you come in and you say, hey. It hurts here.

And people often say, can you right here. Why are you going here? And my job is to look at the body as a whole and say, what is really going on with this body? What are all the connections? How is everything linked?

And how can we gently unwind the body in a way that’s respectful to the body and is gentle and comfortable to the patient on the table for the purpose of proper alignment. And when there’s proper alignment, it’s not just, like, the muscles that feel better. If we actually get better blood flow, the nerves work better, even the organs and lymphatics work better. So it’s this beautiful amazing picture. Yeah.

And that’s a bit about osteopathy. Mhmm. Well, I love how you really emphasized how it’s the interconnectedness of all the different parts of the body. And we were talking about breathing and how breathing changes when you move your body in different positions. Yeah.

Absolutely. So that’s a really cool thing. Just a quick demo, for all those people out there. So I want you to just bend to the left and twist to the right and take a nice deep breath. And Not much room.

Yeah. Just feel how awful that feels. Yeah. Not much room in there. So don’t do that.

It’s like a little back. Take a deep breath. Relax your body. But you can see how your posture affects, like, a very obvious thing like your breathe like, you’re breathing. And, obviously, we’re not walking around totally, you know, like this.

Or but we do have those twists and turns, and they do affect the rib cage. They affect the spine. They affect how the ribs can move, how the intercostal muscles, which are the muscles between your ribs, can have, like, their have the tension, and it can affect you. It could even affect things like you can get migraines, you can get brain fog just from a lack of proper breathing. And I’m sure that’s something that you deal with also, allowing people to Bingo.

Yes. Keep those deep breaths and stretch them on on their own. And in the same way that it is with the rib cage and the breathing, you can actually see the seam in the digestive system. When we have a pelvis that’s twisted or when we have a rib that is affecting the part of the nerve system that affects the digestive system, when these things are not properly aligned, we can get digestive issues. We can get menstrual issues.

Or on the other side, we can get menopausal issues, hot flashes, and sweats, and all of these things that we wish would leave us. Because we talk to midlife women a lot on this podcast, the alignment of the pelvis and the organs and how the the circulation’s moving throughout, that has a big effect on hormones, doesn’t it? Absolutely. Especially since hormones, they float in the blood. Right?

And if blood flow is improper for impinging blood flow or we’re making the body have to work harder to get the blood where it needs to go, it can definitely affect the body hormonally. Yeah. And and so osteopaths, what what do they do for people? Like, what what does what does a treatment look like? Yeah.

So an initial treatment with me would be someone would come in. We’d take a quick health a quick health history, trying to figure out what are the main things that are bothering you and what is what’s gone on in your life that may be causing it. And then my job is to take a look in all positions to see what is moving and what’s not moving. What that looks like, it looks like gentle stretching. I’ll have you gently push against me.

I’ll gently push against you. It doesn’t you know, my patients will sometimes get off the table and they’ll say, that’s it. We’re done. And then I’ll say, just wait. And then I get a phone call a few minutes later.

Or, you know, the next time they come in, they say, like, wow. Did I feel that? How did I feel that from what you did? You know? How is that even possible?

So that’s what it looks like. Just gentle stretching, gentle motion. What it is is so much deeper. It’s really figuring out where the body needs to move and where the body hasn’t been moving and approaching that tissue in a respectful way. People come in with all sorts of issues.

I’m sure you get a lot of similar, you know, people. A lot of people are coming in with, oh, I have this neck hump or people who feel like their bodies are all folded and kyphosis. Some people come in for more, like, physio physiologic issues like constipation or diarrhea, IBS, migraines. Well, everyone has a different issue. I have my favorite patients are the ones that say, you know, everything’s basically fine.

I just wanna make sure that, you know, I’m I’m moving properly, which is incredible because thank you for taking care of your body. Well, if we go back to your mechanics, analogy, I mean, we go in for tune ups all the time for our car, oil changes, that sort of thing. So you can help patients retain their mobility with regular checkups. That’s exactly it. And when you’re going for regular checkups, you don’t have the like, those big extreme swings.

Right? When people come in and they say, hey. I’ve been in pain. Like, the progression I usually get is that people say, oh, I had this back pain, for example, and it used to come and go. And then it would come for, like, two weeks, but then it would go.

And then, like, the last time it came, it just it hasn’t gone, and it’s been, you know, a month, two months, or it’s been a year, two years, or it’s been ten years or twenty years. And when you’re now going in twenty years later, okay. That’s fine. I’m glad you’re here. We’re gonna work things out.

We’re gonna make things the best they can be. And I wish that we didn’t let it get there because it could have been tune up. It could have been a few quick treatments. And now we’re having to put a little more effort into the body, which is so worth it still. But, you know, I wish we didn’t have to get there.

And and when you have somebody who’s had that little warning signal in their system for such a long period of time, that comes with actual neurological changes which affects your alignment and your movement. So you’re unwinding deeper and deeper patterns the longer that little danger signal has been there. Exactly. And our body likes to be in the position that it’s in. Right?

So Familiar. Sometime what was that? It’s familiar. Right? Yeah.

Exactly. It’s familiar. Sometimes you have to like, there’s a process of unlearning it when it’s been that way for so long, reminding you, oh, you have mobility to stand straight. Right? When before it was they were stuck in that way, now we have we have to remind the body, hey.

Look. Now we can do it on our own. But when you go in and you erase those issues right at the beginning, you don’t have that same uphill battle. Yeah. And I just Oh, go ahead.

Sorry. Sure. I just like to say when I first started, I had this, like, very powerful vision, that for my business and for my for my practice, I really I saw my own grandparents aging, and then I saw my parents aging, and it really, like, it really hit me. Like, wow. They’re aging like my grandparents.

And I have this dream that every grandparent and every grandparent can get on the floor with their grandkids. Like, you know, you wait so long for those opportunities if you’re blessed to have them, to be able to get down on the floor, to be able to play with them, and then to be able to get back up, not be afraid, am I gonna get stuck? You get to get back up without the sound effects, you know, like, oh, oh, oh, you know, to be able to just go down and get up, like, with a functional body. So that’s my dream. Well, that’s wonderful.

And as a grandma, I’m like, thank you. Because, you know, it it you really do that’s a great why to take care of yourself. And a shout out to all midlife women. We give so much to others, and we rarely ask for a lot back. But, it is really important to take care of yourself and go for these regular tune ups and do your body work because your why is so you can really be there for your family in the long run and it’d be be able to really take that joy from the family.

Right? There’s something that I find really notable about that. I think sometimes we’re afraid to be takers and especially your generation. You guys are a generation of givers, and you guys have really given a lot, and it’s beautiful. And I think sometimes self care has this, like, tone of well, like, it’s just taking.

I’m just caring for myself, and I don’t wanna be all about me. That’s not my type. I’m not maybe you knew a woman like that that was, like, offensive to you or disgusting to you. And I just wanna reframe that as we’re not giving to we’re not taking to have, we’re taking to give. Right?

We’re we’re caring for ourselves so that and I think when our our taking is in balance like that, it actually feels amazing. Yeah. When we keep in mind, it’s it’s so we can ultimately be of more service. Let’s let’s double back to this. I just wanna finish a little bit more about our discussion on osteopathy.

Can you share with us maybe some case studies, Shira, of some of your clients and how they have benefited from osteopathy? Yeah. Absolutely. So I have a few patients that stick out in my mind. One of them this was the one that I think hit me the most emotionally.

I had a patient. She was coming for a few months already. And in that time, not only did her body change, like, crazy. Like, she went from being in excruciating pain, and I could barely put my hands on her without her saying, ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch. And osteopathy is a very gentle practice.

So if I have a patient that’s saying ouch, ouch, I know this is a body that’s really crying for help, to a point where she was coming in and saying, yeah, sure. Do your magic. I’m I’m feeling pretty good. Usually, I kick these patients out, but she I couldn’t kick her out. And and I said to her, like, you know, a lot has changed in the past, I don’t know, three months, four months.

And she said, you know, Shira, I’ve been doing this work in therapy for years. I’ve been really working on myself and trying to get all these different things in motion. And I was trying my best, but it wasn’t really going anywhere. And when I started working with you, all the things I was working on in therapy, they started just it started being so much easier to do it. One of the examples she gave me is that, you know, she likes to cook and she would wanna cook for herself and cook for her mother, Givers, Us woman givers, cooking for her mother.

And she wants to really be able to provide that nutritious food, but she couldn’t stand on her feet for that long. And now that her body is functioning so much better, she says, like, Shira, I can stand and I can cook for an hour, for two hours, for three hours. Whatever I need to do, I can just do it. I want to exercise because it doesn’t hurt me to exercise anymore. So to me, that was like a wow.

Like, look how amazing it is to have a functional body and what it can do to the rest of your life. So that was one patient. Can can we just talk about that for just a second more? I’m kind of going a bit off script. I know, Shira, but I just love that that story because it just shows that nothing like I mean, I’ve been to therapy.

I think I think, you know, therapy is a really important part of our health care, but how you have to have that somatic component to it. Because as one of my teachers says, the issues are in the tissues. And when you work with the soft tissue and osteopathy, you’re actually starting to move some of that stuck emotion. We often say emotions are energy in motion. So we’ve got that locked energy in our tissues and the osteopath comes and starts to help us release, and then the therapy just clicks in so much more, you know, intensively.

And I think sometimes in therapy, you’re like you feel like you’re pushing. It’s an uphill battle. Right? Like, you have to, like it’s all in here, and I’m trying to do the right thing and make the right step. And I think when you just release the body, when the body is not in a state of fight or flight, and that’s a really beautiful thing that happens on the table.

So I really feel bodies release tension and really relax. You know, people get up, and I can’t carry a conversation with them after because they’re just they’re in this, like, post treatment relaxation. They’re Yeah. Yeah. Physically induced.

It’s but it’s it’s amazing to see and then to have where, like, that’s the effect. It’s really it’s really incredible. Yeah. Another just telling me about that one patient who was really struggling to breathe, and they were they had some surgery. Because I think a lot of people can relate to this.

When you have surgery, it’s it there’s a lot more than just the scar to heal, isn’t there? Absolutely. And I think one of the frustrating parts about surgery also is that, you know, sometimes it officially works, but it doesn’t it doesn’t do what we wanted it to do. We didn’t realize that when you go in, there’ll be all these other effects like the scar tissues. And and sometimes, you know, I had, two c sections.

And when I had my first, I was still in school. When I had my second, I was also still in school. But when I had my first, I was in first year of osteopathy, and I and I remember just being devastated. Like, I’m caught. I’m caught tissue.

I have scar tissue. And I remember one of my professors said, yeah. You would have died otherwise. And he was like, oh, yeah. You’re right.

Like, sometimes you just gotta do it. And, you know, if you can’t move and you need that knee replacement, you need that knee replacement. But with that said, that tissue’s still around and needs to adjust. And, you know, when that scar tissue will affect the rest of the body, it’s just the reality, and it’s okay we can cope with that reality. So that patient you were talking about, had had quite a bit of surgery and quite a huge scar.

And it was definitely a necessary surgery, and, you know, it’s just the reality of these are the bodies we live with. And it was amazing. By just focusing on releasing that abdominal scar tissue, that patient was able to get a full deep breath. And it it’s just, like, so it’s so cool to feel it. I you know, to put my hands on the rib cage and to feel those ribs going in and out.

And it’s obviously it’s a more complicated each person is a more complicated picture. They’re not just this piece of scar tissue. Right? There’s a spine that’s been doing what it’s been doing for years. There’s the rib cage that’s been doing what it’s been doing for years.

There’s a whole body that’s attached to it, but it was so cool to have that that change just under my hands. And then just one more case if you’ll Yeah. For sure. Oh, man. Two more cases.

Okay. Whatever. One of them is a quick one. I had a patient. This is actually I was still in school when I treated.

She was a friend of mine, and she comes in. And for all of you who can’t, see in the video, I’ll describe it as I’m doing it. She came in and she said, oh, my right arm, it’s killing me. And she lifts her arm to about 45 degrees painfully, and then she goes, this is what I can do. She takes her left arm, she grabs her right arm, and she shoves it up.

Up. And she goes, that’s as much as I can do. And I’m thinking, if you have to use one arm to shove the other arm up, you can’t do any of that. Like, stop it. Don’t do that.

And it was amazing. So she said she had already been to the best physio in Toronto, and he told her it was in her head. Oh, no. Because officially, everything was fine. And I treated her, and it was incredible.

After that first treatment, she was had full mobility of that shoulder. This is sometimes there’s miracles, but the miracles are not me. Okay? Just so we’re fully clear. Sometimes there’s miracles and the miracles are not me.

Osteopathy is so cool. And my greatest gift is to just be a messenger when I can be that messenger. But she had full range of motion with some pain, and the next morning, she had no pain. And it’s stayed. It’s been eight years.

She’s had a few tune ups here and there, but, otherwise, it’s been incredible. So that was one. And then the one more patient who I also think went to the same physio who also told her her it was in her head. I could be wrong with that, though. But she was having, a she could not did not have any feeling in one of her feet, and it started creeping up.

And it even got to the point where her foot was sliding off the gas pedal. Now this is a younger woman. I’m not talking about someone who’s in her insert very older age here. I don’t wanna say an age because this is a woman in her late thirties. Yeah.

And that is devastating. Oh. That is devastating. And she had done everything. She had done physio, and she’d done everything.

And it was incredible working on her and seeing as she slowly started getting feeling back in her foot, getting more control over her foot. She’s a busy woman, so it’s not always easy to catch her and, you know, or for her to focus on on that piece. But it was absolutely incredible to see a change, and I’ve had a few patients to say that said, oh, are your floors heated? And I’ll say, yeah. And they say, I didn’t have a feeling in my feet before.

I never noticed it before. So but, yeah, those are my patients. Well, obviously, you really love what you do, Shira. I wanna jump to something else that you really love. You have three kids.

How old are you? So I have my oldest is seven. I have a boy that’s seven and I have twins that boy girl twins that are four and a half. You are busy. So thank you so much for taking this time today.

I just wanted to ask you about being a mom and the work that you do. When you went through having having the kids, how did that change for you? Yeah. It’s a great question. So I had my kids in school.

So I wouldn’t say so much has changed, but I would say that those two processes happen together. Osteopathy, like, really percolating in my mind and parenthood. So the way osteopathy was taught to me was principles based. So it wasn’t just I have a shoulder here of 10 techniques for the shoulder. It was here is all of anatomy.

Now here’s how physiology works. Now go figure out how it’s connected. How can that pain be coming from upwards, downwards, to the right, to the left? What are all the pieces? How can we sort out this person?

And I think I really look at my kids the same way. You know, it’s not just what is this behavior, but it’s where is this where is the behavior coming from? What’s there? What is my goal for you as a human? Right?

Not how do I get you to listen to me, which sometimes I also just need. But how do I really support you in in learning and growing? So that’s, like, one one way. And I think vice versa, being a mother has affected me as an osteopath because you just learn compassion as a mother, and you learn that things take time and that sometimes a kid just is in the stage of tantrums, and they’re gonna outgrow it, and you just have to keep plugging away and repeat the same over and over again. And in the same way bodies, I love to see bodies that heal quickly, and we have to understand that bodies have their own pace and their own trajectory.

And sometimes it takes time, and sometimes it feels like you’re doing the same thing over and over. But, eventually, that seed that you sprout in that body will bud, and you’ll see you’ll see fruit from that from those treatments. I love that you’re emphasizing how, you know, we all have this really unique journey in the body’s an expression of that, and so there’s not a good or a bad. Right. It strikes me that the cataclysmic shifts that us women go through as we learn about motherhood is kinda similar to the rock my world that comes with menopause.

I mean, everything has to change whether we like it or not. Yeah. It’s very true. It’s very true. I look at it kind of like a butterfly and you have this caterpillar, and it is an entity into itself.

It’s a whole creature, that caterpillar, but it’s not. It’s in its complete form. And motherhood and and this, like, you know, growing up and becoming not just the little baby woman and mommy, but but going through menopause and going through a whole other trajectory and stage of life. You have, like, these crazy hormones. And, also, like, your perspective is shifting on things, and you’re seeing things different, and you have more wisdom and more maturity, and that can feel very destructive.

And it can feel very internally, like, it could destroy you in a certain sense. And I think that’s on purpose that that we change and this the butterfly emerges not as a caterpillar with red wings. It emerges as a whole new creature. And I think as mothers and as more senior women, we also emerge in the same way as with totally different perspectives and as a much more well rounded person. Yeah.

You said the authentic person. Sometimes I feel like I’m just growing into my voice. Yeah. Dara, I know you’re tuning in more and more to your own intuition when working with patients. Can you can you share how that feels for you?

Like, what sort of outcomes do you see when you welcome that sort of spiritual awareness into your work? Yeah. So I see intuition and spirituality as a little bit as separate. There is an intuition that I think as an osteopath, you know, it’s been eight years that I’ve had my hands on bodies including school and practice. And you start to to trust that, yes, these are all the things I could do, but this is where I feel like this person is going, and I’m just gonna go with it.

So you’re applying the principles of osteopathy, but with that intuitive sense of, I think this is my best bet. We’re gonna follow this channel. If it doesn’t work, I have I have the 10 other ways I could think perhaps I could think down. So for me, what that looks like is just being available to the patient, really quieting my own inner voice and trying to listen what does this patient need right now, what does this body need. Sometimes I’ll get, like, a clarity that says, you know, this doesn’t feel like an injury or this feels like something old.

This feels like it’s not letting go and it’s not doing what I want to do. I was holding someone’s neck the other day, and it just wasn’t releasing. And I had gone I had worked on the shoulders, and I had worked on the spine, and I had worked to here, and I worked to there, and it wasn’t letting go. So I just asked them, like, what are you holding here? What emotions are you holding in your neck?

Which is not something I would typically ask. And she knew what it was, and she said, I’m holding this there. And I said, what would you need to do to release that? And she told me what she would need to do. And I said, I want you to just really take a minute and visualize that.

And as I’m holding her neck, like, I just felt it go. So I think when when I am more open to that intuitive piece, you it’s just you’re guided in certain directions, and that’s you know, it’s a really cool thing. Sometimes people will even have an emotional release at the same time. Sometimes they know what it’s about. Sometimes they don’t even know what it’s about.

They just, you know, feel like they need to cry and let things go and blessed to have that safe space for them. So you have to you have to kind of really do your own personal work, Shira, so that you can be really, like you said, truly available to your patient. Yeah. Definitely. But I feel like I I feel like that’s me.

Like, I just feel like my own my own journey and my own you know, the way I was made and the way my own life experiences have just kind of allowed me to be that. I don’t wanna say naturally because I think we all have to work on things, but more naturally, I think. I have a very nonjudgmental personality. I’m able to just hold things for people. So I think that kind of helps with that.

And and as you come into your own, Shara, because you’re a couple decades younger than me, how are you finding your voice for spiritual growth? Yes. So I think it was very hard to find that voice when I had my kids. I was a very spiritual person when I was teenager, and I had kids pretty young. So I think that really did you know, like we were talking talking before, it did walk rock my world, especially spiritually.

And I think now that I have more space, I have been giving myself the opportunity to just have quiet. And I think that sometimes spirituality is just uncovering your own self and seeing who am I really? Because the greatest gift that we have to give to the world is really ourselves. Right? Some of us are blessed to have people we love and some of us are alone, and we really are our own gift to the world.

And, yeah, so connecting with myself. And then I think when we connect with ourselves, then we are available to connect with other people and to I mean, I connect to God or whatever people connect to higher being when we are our most authentic self, I think that is, like, the greatest spiritual ascension that we can have. Well, wise words for one so young. You know, when we hit our fifties and our sixties, a lot of us have been conforming all these years, and we’re just so used to making everyone else happy or being people pleasers that that spiritual longing within us has really gone unanswered for so many decades, and we’re numbing out. We’re drinking too much wine.

We’re shopping too much. We’re eating too much chocolate. We’re obsessively planning travel or renovations. Sounds nice. Well, it it it’s pleasurable, but it’s taking us away.

It’s distracting us from true joy. And I think that’s what you’re talking about, building that time for quiet, getting to know yourself, kind of being your own best friend. It’s something I’ve been really learning in the last couple years. So I I just wanna wind back to your day job for a minute, Sherry. This has been amazing.

With the drop in hormones that midlife women explain experience comes a lot of injuries and joint pain. And this is real. It’s not just in our heads, so no one should tell us it’s, you know, it’s not real like I you were telling us before. Right. And I don’t like hearing you’re just getting old, deal with it, because that’s what a lot of clients have been told.

And I know that there’s tons of that that I can offer from the yoga world to keep people mobile and graceful. But, Shira, there’s there’s lots that you can do as an osteopath that compliments what yoga brings. Right? Yeah. Absolutely.

To me, the greatest compliment between osteopathy and yoga is it’s your job to keep the body moving as a whole. Right? That’s the daily practice. Whereas for me, when you’re generally moving as a whole, there’ll still be areas that you don’t have proper leverage to get into, And that’s my job. My job is when you’re taking care of your body like you are, you come to me and I say, these ribs these ribs aren’t moving.

Very gently. Let’s make those ribs move. Let’s get your sacrum moving. Let’s make sure the pelvis is nice and aligned. But I don’t have to work as hard hard when you’re doing the daily alignment.

And when I do my alignment for you, then you’ll see that you have so much more range of motion. Or I’m sure you find with yourself and with others, sometimes the left side moves more, sometimes the right side moves more. We’re uneven. So and sometimes that’s just us, and that’s okay. I have scoliosis.

I’ll always be uneven. That’s okay. But the main thing is that when things are moving better and feeling better, you can really continue that practice, that daily practice, and keep opening yourself up. And I find I mean, I wanna say a % of the time. I feel like you can never say a % of the time, but almost a % of the time, my patients that exercise, my patients that move, it’s a world of a difference how they age and versus how my patients that don’t move.

Difference how they age and versus how my patients that don’t move. And it doesn’t matter body size, it really, really is. Are you moving? Are you moving regularly? And are you moving in a way that feels good to you?

It makes a huge difference. Well, Well, thank you for that shout out because I I always say movement is your medicine. So, Shira, we will put your website in the show notes so people can contact you. Where are you physically practicing from right now? Where’s your I’m in the right now.

In the GTA. In the GTA. Okay. Wonderful. Because I know I mean, you certainly have a lot of population to to draw from, but you also have some plans.

We won’t say anything today, but also have some plans to reach out to a digital audience. So you’ll wanna make sure you visit Shira’s website and just keep abreast of these lovely things. So thank you so much for sharing today, Shira. It’s been an honor to connect with a kindred spirit, and we’ll have to check-in with each other soon. Maybe you can come back and do another episode to see where your heart centered dreams are incubating.

Thank you. And, Cheryl, thank you. It’s been really lovely to speak to you. Okay. Everyone listening, you guys are all so blessed to have Cheryl.

Keep on listening. So it is so nice. Thank you so much for the work you’re doing. Namaste. Namaste.

In the meantime, before we have Shira back, I will put a link, as I said, in the show notes for Shira’s contact information. I’ll also put a link to a joint freeing series video that’s on my website. This is a program of simple movement. It can be done standing, using a chair. There’s another version where you’re even laying down in bed.

So it’s a great way at home to build more mobility, freedom of movement, and like Sherra was saying, so when you go to see her, you’ve already done your homework. At least until you can get to your friendly local osteopath. Have a wonderful day, and we will look forward to talking with you next time. Thank you.

Contact Shira:

https://alignedtodesign.com/

Get a Free Joint Freeing practice video to alleviate chronic pain and mobilize your body…. https://cherylgordonyt.com/at-home-yoga-programs-for-women-over-50/a-miracle-cure-for-sore-joints/

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