Today’s Sacred Business Stories conversation with Charlie Gilkeyrevealed a powerful truth: sometimes the most meaningful businesses aren’t planned—they emerge organically when we stop arguing with the opportunities life presents.

Charlie, founder of Productive Flourishing and author of multiple books including “Start Finishing” and “Team Habits,” shared his unexpected journey from Army logistics officer and philosophy graduate student to becoming one of the most thoughtful voices in productivity and leadership. His story illuminates how sacred business often begins not with a grand plan, but with a willingness to say yes to what others see in us before we see it ourselves.

Show Notes

[00:04:28] – The Accidental Beginning

* How Charlie “fell ass backwards” into business while serving in the Army and pursuing his PhD in philosophy

* The paradox of managing complex military operations while struggling with a 5,000-word essay

* Why he started blogging in 2007 when it was still “something you didn’t want to tell your friends about”

* The gap he discovered between granular productivity advice and aspirational personal development

[00:11:12] – When Others See What You Can’t

* Why Charlie initially resisted when people approached him for business help

* The power of not arguing with people who recognize your value

* How limited self-perception can block opportunities for growth

* The importance of separating your identity from the labels you carry

[00:16:25] – Focus on Verbs, Not Nouns

* Why getting stuck on titles and labels prevents action

* “Your cage, your key” – how we create our own limitations

* The freedom that comes from doing the work without needing the perfect identity

* How to play with possibilities rather than fight predetermined categories

[00:19:43] – Building Your Bridge Before Jumping

* Charlie’s practical approach to transitioning from military/academia to entrepreneurship

* Why building while still employed creates better outcomes than desperate leaps

* The danger of making your business solve all your needs at once

* How to reduce pressure on early-stage ventures by maintaining other income sources

[00:26:09] – The Sacred Nature of Neutral Work

* The revolutionary concept that not all work needs to be “joy work” or “dread work”

* How creative spiritual people create unnecessary suffering by avoiding neutral tasks

* The wisdom of “fetch water, chop wood” – how enlightenment changes your approach, not your tasks

* Why accepting neutral work creates more energy for meaningful projects

[00:42:07] – Working with Fear and Resistance

* Charlie’s current fears around pivoting his brand from productivity to leadership

* How he “de-stakes” commitments to reduce pressure and create space for experimentation

* The weight of time displacement and choosing projects carefully at 45

* Why you should only pursue projects because “you can’t not do them”

Key Quotes

“Don’t argue with people about a more limited view of yourself when they see a more expansive view of yourself.” – Charlie Gilkey

“Your cage, your key. You’re the one that created that label and that context, that constraint, and put yourself in there.” – Charlie Gilkey

“Don’t write a book because you want to write a book. Write a book because you can’t not write a book, because it will bug you and haunt you if you don’t.” – Charlie Gilkey

Resources Mentioned

* Productive Flourishing (Charlie’s main platform)

* “Start Finishing: How to Go from Idea to Done“

* “Team Habits: How Small Actions Lead to Extraordinary Results“

* Getting Things Done by David Allen

* The Bhagavad Gita (“fetch water, chop wood” wisdom)

Where to Find Charlie

* Primary:ProductiveFlourishing.com (hosted on Substack)

* LinkedIn:Charlie Gilkey

The Sacred Business Connection

Charlie’s story perfectly illustrates a core principle we teach at Sacred Business Flow: the gap between knowing what to do and actually doing it isn’t a strategy problem—it’s a pattern problem.

His journey shows how business evolution often happens through organic recognition rather than forced planning. When we stop fighting the opportunities that present themselves and start saying yes to what others see in us, we create space for our sacred work to emerge naturally.

The concept of “neutral work” that Charlie shared connects directly to our understanding that everything is connected. When we approach necessary tasks with presence rather than resistance, we free up energy for our most meaningful contributions. This isn’t about settling for work that drains us—it’s about recognizing that even in our most aligned businesses, some tasks simply need to be completed without creating elaborate stories about them.

What resonated most with you from Charlie’s story? Share your thoughts in the comments below.

P.S. Charlie’s insight about only pursuing projects “because you can’t not do them” reminds us why we created Sacred Business Flow. Sometimes the most important work chooses us, and our job is simply to stop arguing with it and start building the bridge between where we are and where we’re called to go.

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