Have you ever realized that God was with you long before you ever knew how to name it?

Joe asks Joby to tell a few specific stories—moments that reveal both the danger of his former world and the quiet ways discernment and grace kept showing up. Joby recounts how he began to suspect something was off with “J Bird” and the story surrounding a supposed hit, and how a single detail—the smell—helped expose a staged deception that led to a raid.

We talk about a different kind of “buckle story,” too: Joby’s unexpected bull ride at the Four Corners Iron Horse Motorcycle Rally, the confidence and chaos of that season, and how those highs were still part of a bigger pursuit. And we end in the mountains, where Joby tells a hunting story that turns into a near-death moment—darkness, a mine shaft, a rattlesnake, and a prayer: “Lord, don’t give up on me now.”

God doesn’t only meet us in churches. If you’ve been running hard, He can still interrupt the story—sometimes with discernment, sometimes with rescue, always with grace.