Thriving Outside the Box
Thriving Outside the Box
Podcast Description
Thriving Outside The Box is a podcast that sheds light on the stories of leaders and entrepreneurs across industries who dared to create and walk their own path in their careers, lives and businesses and provide inspiration for how listeners can do the same. Dr. Kimberly Grocher, the host, also provides listeners with insights on how to thrive mentally, emotionally, physically, and spiritually while living a life outside of the box.
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Content Themes
The podcast explores themes of personal and professional empowerment, diversity in leadership, and overcoming stereotypes, with specific episodes like Beyond the Stereotype highlighting the barriers faced by women of color in public service and the importance of representation in leadership roles.

Thriving Outside The Box is a podcast that sheds light on the stories of leaders and entrepreneurs across industries who dared to create and walk their own path in their careers, lives and businesses and provide inspiration for how listeners can do the same. Dr. Kimberly Grocher, the host, also provides listeners with insights on how to thrive mentally, emotionally, physically, and spiritually while living a life outside of the box.
What does it really mean to listen to yourself — and how does that shape the way you show up for everyone else? In this episode of Thriving Outside the Box, Dr. Kim sits down with Marie Deveaux, inclusive leadership coach and CEO of High Tides Consulting, for a deeply personal and honest conversation rooted in Marie’s own journey and her work with leaders. They explore discernment as a daily practice, what it means to have a real relationship with fear, and how trusting yourself and staying in alignment with your own vision is foundational to every relationship you’re in. Marie shares her perspective on what transformation actually requires: being resourced through community, an ecosystem of support, the humility to say you’re at capacity, and the willingness to ask for — and allow yourself to receive — help. A rich, grounded conversation about the inner work that makes everything else possible.
Marie Deveaux is the Founder and CEO of High Tides Consulting, a learning and development agency dedicated to magnifying the voices of women and people of color in the workplace. Rooted in Black feminist praxis, her work blends applied sociolinguistics with practical leadership tools to challenge dominant narratives, dismantle bias, and foster truly inclusive cultures. Through workshops, coaching, and cohort learning, Marie empowers individuals and organizations to step boldly outside the “traditional” leadership box and thrive. Her approach is grounded in the belief that authentic communication—shaped by equity and lived experience—is the catalyst for cultural change.
Guest Links & Info
Websites: hightidesconsulting.co & mariedeveaux.com
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/mariedeveaux
Resources:
Barriers to Bridges Leadership Assessment to explore traits of your own leadership ethos an culture
Courses for Managers focused on interpersonal skill development
Connect with me:
Website: www.kimberlybondsgrocher.com
Instagram: @drkimbgrocher
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/kimberly-grocher
Credits:
Host: Dr. Kimberly Grocher PhD, MA, LCSW, ACC, RYT
Music: Gregory Brooks, Jr.
Sound Engineer: Hitz Muzic Group, LLC

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