The Ask MRS HR Podcast brings real talk and expert insights to your workplace dilemmas with a touch of humor and a whole lot of honesty.

In this episode, Dr. Thelá Thatch is joined by global DEI strategist, LinkedIn Learning Instructor, and author of UNBIAS, Stacey Gordon, to break down what’s really happening in workplaces across the country. Especially now that the leader of the so-called free world is declaring DEI illegal. (Spoiler alert: it’s not.)

Together, they dig into:

– Why DEI is not illegal and what the law actually says

– How disinformation, gaslighting, and burnout are used as tools to silence equity efforts

– Why access to information is still a revolutionary act

– Creating safe spaces like The Well for women of color to learn, heal, and lead

– The privilege we don’t recognize until we see someone struggling without it

– What it means to lead with curiosity even when people are playing in your face

– Why professional courage is non-negotiable in 2025 and beyond

Whether you’re a leader, HR professional, entrepreneur, or someone who just wants to show up authentically at work, you’ll leave this episode informed, inspired, and ready to protect your peace.

Grab Stacey’s book UNBIAS: https://www.unbiasbook.com/

Learn more about Stacey’s work: https://www.reworkwork.com/

Follow Stacey @reworkwork 

For more information, connect with Dr. Thelá Thatch at https://thelathatch.com.

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Check out Dr. Thelá’s book The Diversity Dilemma https://diversitydilemma.com/

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