Between Sundays
Between Sundays
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Join Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper for candid, transparent conversations about life in ministry. This is more than sermons and church services—it's the real work of pastoring, the challenges and triumphs, the heart and soul of ministry that happens between Sundays.
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The podcast covers the real work of pastoring, including topics such as the challenges of leadership transitions, the importance of starting small, and the commitment required in ministry. For example, the inaugural episode discusses the challenges of following a legacy leader and the role of faith in overcoming obstacles in pastoral life.

Join Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper for candid, transparent conversations about life in ministry. This is more than sermons and church services—it’s the real work of pastoring, the challenges and triumphs, the heart and soul of ministry that happens between Sundays.
In this episode of Between Sundays, Mark Williams is joined by Dr. Gary Lewis, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper for a wide-ranging conversation with Dr. Fijoy Johnson: church planter, lifelong Church of God minister, and the newly appointed Director of Intercultural Ministries. Dr. Johnson shares his journey from India to the United States, lessons learned from planting a church while working full-time, and why he believes the future of the Western church is deeply intercultural, rooted in Scripture, love, and representation.
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