Outsider Inc.
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Outsider Inc. is dedicated to visionary leaders breaking the mold of tech entrepreneurship. Hosted by Ian Hathaway—co-author of The Startup Community Way: Evolving an Entrepreneurial Ecosystem and co-founder of seed-stage venture capital firm FOVC—each episode delivers exclusive interviews and insider insights from exceptional founders building generation-defining companies. Join us for an in-depth exploration into the real-life stories of entrepreneurs from unexpected places and backgrounds who overcame early setbacks, built resilient teams without following the traditional Silicon Valley playbook, and created thriving ecosystems in overlooked markets. Whether you’re a first-time founder, seasoned innovator, or investor, you’ll gain actionable strategies, unconventional wisdom, and practical takeaways to help you navigate your entrepreneurial journey—no matter where you come from. Join our community today by subscribing on your favorite podcast app and dive even deeper on our newsletter at outsiderinc.substack.com.
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The podcast centers around themes of entrepreneurship, resilience, and community impact, featuring guests from diverse backgrounds who have built successful companies outside traditional tech hubs. Episodes include discussions on building businesses amid economic challenges, fostering local talent, and creating supportive ecosystems, such as the inaugural episode with Scott Dorsey discussing the founding of ExactTarget and its implications for the Indianapolis tech landscape.
Outsider Inc. is dedicated to visionary leaders breaking the mold of tech entrepreneurship. Hosted by Ian Hathaway—co-author of The Startup Community Way: Evolving an Entrepreneurial Ecosystem and co-founder of seed-stage venture capital firm FOVC—each episode delivers exclusive interviews and insider insights from exceptional founders building generation-defining companies. Join us for an in-depth exploration into the real-life stories of entrepreneurs from unexpected places and backgrounds who overcame early setbacks, built resilient teams without following the traditional Silicon Valley playbook, and created thriving ecosystems in overlooked markets. Whether you’re a first-time founder, seasoned innovator, or investor, you’ll gain actionable strategies, unconventional wisdom, and practical takeaways to help you navigate your entrepreneurial journey—no matter where you come from. Join our community today by subscribing on your favorite podcast app and dive even deeper on our newsletter at outsiderinc.substack.com.
Host Ian Hathaway interviews Khatija Ali, founder and CEO of BioSapien, about building a biotech company on a mission to change the way the world treats cancer. Ali shares how her path began in philosophy and physics at McMaster University, where she was drawn to metaphysics, Nietzsche, and big questions about why we are here, before her father’s colorectal cancer diagnosis redirected her life toward medicine. After earning her MD and falling in love with surgery, she left that path to build BioSapien, whose flagship product, MediChip, is a 3D-printed biodegradable implant designed to deliver chemotherapy directly to a tumor site instead of flooding the entire body through an IV. She describes the personal loss behind the company, the early support from physicians and her mother, the realities of raising capital as a woman founder in biotech, hearing a thousand no’s, driving Uber to keep the company alive, and learning to treat rejection as data. They discuss BioSapien’s pivot from pancreatic cancer to rectal cancer, why Ali moved clinical operations to Abu Dhabi, the advantages of building between San Diego and the UAE, preparing MediChip for first-in-human trials, building the Gulf region’s biotech ecosystem, leading with curiosity and compassion, and the difference between suffering and struggling.
Show Notes:
(03:00) Philosophy, Physics, And The Question Of Becoming
(05:15) Building A First Company With Her Father
(08:30) Grief, Cancer, And A New Path
(11:35) Leaving Surgery To Build BioSapien
(15:03) MediChip And Treating Cancer Locally
(19:25) Pivoting From Pancreatic To Rectal Cancer
(21:40) Learning Biotech From The Money Side
(23:25) A Thousand No’s As Data Points
(25:20) Moving BioSapien To Abu Dhabi
(32:20) What The West Gets Wrong About The Gulf
(35:00) Preparing For The First Human Patient
(38:25) Leading With Curiosity And Compassion
(41:20) Building A Biotech Ecosystem From Scratch
(44:25) Suffering, Struggle, And The Founder Journey
(49:30) Beyond The Bio with Khatija Ali
✅ Host: Ian Hathway – Co-Founder & Managing Partner, FOVC
✅ Guests: Khatija Ali – Founder & CEO, BioSapien
Produced by Spellbinder Media. Executive Produced by Bridge Five Ventures. Copyright ©️2026, Bridge Five Ventures, LLC, All rights reserved.
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