This week’s Curtin’s Cast features the excellent ACTU Secretary, Sally McManus. Kos Samaras and Nick Dyrenfurth explore her working-class upbringing in north-west Sydney, the parallels between the rise of One Nation in the 1990s and today’s hard-right, neo-Nazi currents, and whether her attraction to the labour movement was a matter of nature or nurture. We cover the cultural left milieu she emerged from, the eye-opening experience of being the first in her family to attend university, the ACTU’s pioneering Organising Works program, the influence of mentors like Tom Macdonald and Tas Bull, and her path to the top job leading a resurgent union movement through seismic challenges from Covid to AI and intergenerational inequality. And yes — we also dive into Sally’s lifelong obsession with martial arts and how it’s shaped her leadership. A rich and revealing conversation you won’t want to miss.