”If the pain is quiet, then people can miss it really easily… The ways in which we express our distress might be subtle, but it doesn't mean that that distress is not there underneath.”  – Asami Koike

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In this episode, registered music therapist Asami Koike joins Andrew and Kizzy to break down how Eurocentric frameworks dominate standard allied health practices and directly impact speech pathology. When clinicians set goals around assertiveness or immediate boundary-setting without considering a client's cultural identity, they can inadvertently enforce individualistic values onto collectivist family systems. This disconnect leads to quiet micro-ruptures, causing families to disengage from therapy without the clinician understanding why.

The conversation addresses the model minority myth and the reality of invisible distress within the Asian Australian community. Kizzy reflects on her own lived experience of masking severe psychological struggles behind a wall of academic compliance during school, illustrating how easily quiet struggling can be missed. By looking past surface-level behaviour and learning to value alternative clinical outcomes – such as prioritising peace of mind – SLPs can create true relational safety for Asian communities.

About Our Guest

Asami Koike is a registered music therapist and the founder of Shapes and Sounds, Australia’s leading voice for Asian mental health. Her work focuses on normalising mental health conversations within Asian communities while training health professionals to build culturally responsive, safer practices. Outside of systemic advocacy, Asami spends her time running long distances and hanging out with her Shiba Inu, Hugo.

In This Episode

• Audit Goals for Individualistic Bias: Question whether your communication goals assume a Western, individualistic family structure, or if they respect collectivist family dynamics.
• Look Beyond Surface-Level Compliance: Recognise that a quiet, ”rule-following” client may be highly masking severe distress or unmet neurodivergent needs.
• Adapt Clinical Language to Lower Barriers: Consider how shifting terminology away from heavily stigmatised words can drastically change service engagement.
• Broaden Metrics of Progress: Expand assessment frameworks to value outcomes like ”peace of mind” and collective safety over individualistic independence.

Resources Mentioned

• Shapes and Sounds 
• Website: https://justshapesandsounds.com/
• Resources and Trainings: https://justshapesandsounds.com/learning-centre
• The Asian Mental Health Podcast: https://justshapesandsounds.com/find-us-online
• Culture, Trauma and Mental Health Group: https://www.monash.edu/turner-institute/laura-jobson-lab

Contact Asami / Shapes and Sounds

• Their website: https://justshapesandsounds.com

• Instagram: https://instagram.com/justshapesandsounds

• LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/justshapesandsounds