In 2011, he was but a DA spokesperson. Today, 15 years later, he's part of a centrist collective of opposition political parties preparing to shake up how our metros are governed. “Let's come together and work because what we need in SA are pragmatic policies,” says Build One South Africa (BOSA) member of Parliament (MP), Dr Mmusi Maimane, in a special lunchtime interview with The Lead’s broadcast journalist host, Graeme Raubenheimer. Maimane also reflects on his time as DA leader: “It was the most toxic, vile politics I’d ever lived through…” He touches on a myriad of foreign policy matters from Iran to Zimbabwe, his critical work as Chair of Parliament's Appropriations Committee overlooking the budget, and vents his disagreement with the City of Cape Town on building an N2 highway wall. Tune in, wherever you get your podcasts. Comment below and send our host, broadcast journalist Graeme Raubenheimer, a voice note: 072 562 3179. To advertise: [email protected]. Full editions drop Monday through Thursday at 19:00 on Spotify, Apple and YouTube. The show is fully produced, presented and edited by Raubenheimer and quality-checked by News24’s editors.