In this final episode of season one, Matthew Sillence and Dr Stephanie Aspin discuss the intersection of poetry, therapy and academic life. Dr Aspin, who has two doctorates and is a neurodivergent therapist, shares her journey from literature to therapy, highlighting her new book Poetry and Therapy: Why Words Help (PCCS Books, 2025). They explore the therapeutic functions of poetry, including telling and symbolizing, containment, transformation, and access to the unconscious. Dr Aspin also discusses the challenges neurodivergent individuals face in academia and the importance of rituals and symbolic acts in therapeutic and academic contexts.

[0:00-5:00] Introduction
Dr Stephanie Aspin discusses her academic journey, from literature studies to counseling, highlighting her unique career path and recent book Poetry and Therapy: Why Words Help. 

[5:00-15:00] Neurodivergence and Professional Identity 
Explores her work as a neurodivergent therapist and co-founder of A-Typicats, a consultancy focusing on neurodiversity in higher education. 

[15:00-25:00] Functions of Poetry in Therapy 
Examines four key functions of poetry: telling/symbolizing, containment, transformation, and accessing the unconscious. 

[25:00-35:00] Therapeutic Approaches 
Discusses person-centred therapy and psychoanalysis, explaining how different therapeutic methods can intersect. 

[35:00-45:00] Academic Challenges for Neurodivergent Individuals 
Shares insights into the unique challenges faced by neurodivergent academics, particularly around administrative tasks and workplace environments. 

[45:00-52:30] Ritual and Transition in Academic Life 
Explores the potential of poetry and symbolic acts to mark important academic milestones and transitions. 

Summary 
– Poetry can be a powerful therapeutic tool 
– Neurodivergence requires understanding and accommodation 
– Rituals and symbolic language help process academic experiences 

Links
– Aspin, S. (2025) Poetry and Therapy: Why Words Help (PCCS Books).
– Website: https://stephanieaspin.com/
– Consultancy: https://a-typicats.com/

Content advice
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Credits 
Music by Matthew Sillence.