On today’s episode, we sit down with Jacob from Ronin Seeds and a special guest appearance from G from Green Dragon, sitting down for a rare, in-person conversation about genetics, pheno hunting, business fallout, and the real story behind Toad Venom.This isn’t a quick back-and-forth. This is a full breakdown of how modern cannabis genetics are built, moved, hunted, protected — and sometimes fought over.Jacob takes us all the way back to the beginning: growing up outside Seattle, breaking into California’s tightly knit breeder circles, moving serious clone volume during the early legalization wave, and eventually building Ronin Seeds into a collaborative genetic platform. He explains how Sinmint Cookies × Zkittlez phenos hunted during COVID became the foundation for what would later be known as Toad Venom — and how a single male selection ended up shaping an entire movement.We get into the Oklahoma chapter — the massive facility buildout, the federal raid that was ultimately dropped, investor disputes, partnership breakdowns, and what it feels like to lose everything and rebuild from zero. This isn’t theory. It’s firsthand experience from someone who lived through it.Then the conversation shifts.G from Green Dragon joins the table, and we go directly into the topic the internet has been debating: how cuts move, who owns a hunted pheno, what happens when seeds are popped inside a funded facility, and where the lines are between breeder, grower, and operator. Instead of social media back-and-forth, this is a face-to-face discussion about credit, ethics, collaboration, and the gray areas that exist in a rapidly evolving industry.You’ll hear about:• The real lineage behind Toad Venom• How Sinmint Cookies and Zkittlez genetics intersect• How pheno hunts are organized at scale• The difference between creating seeds and selecting winners• The economics of boutique cannabis vs. volume production• Why collaboration can build brands — or break partnerships• And how legacy genetics trace back further than most people realizeThis episode pulls back the curtain on how elite phenos actually come to life. It shows the layers — from breeder relationships and male selection to facility investment and market positioning. It also highlights something bigger: in cannabis, nobody builds alone. Every cut has history. Every strain has contributors. And every story usually has more sides than the internet sees.If you care about genetics, ownership ethics, pheno hunting at scale, or the real business mechanics behind high-ticket flower — this is one you’ll want to watch all the way through.Ronin Seeds – @roninseedsThe Green Dragon – @the_green_dragon_laHosted by Alex VillegasProduced By Josh MontheiPowered By Thinkgrow www.thinkgrow.comTrolmaster www.trolmaster.comMangoTech www.mangotech.store