In this episode, David and Sophie turn their attention to one of the most challenging and often misunderstood passages in the Gospel of Mark: Jesus’ teaching as he leaves the temple in Mark 13. Together they explore why Jesus says these things now, how this passage is rooted in the imagery of Daniel 7, and what it means to read apocalyptic language not as a timetable for the end of the world, but as pastoral wisdom for living through the collapse of familiar religious and social structures. Along the way, they discuss the destruction of the temple, the “abomination of desolation,” false messiahs, and the call to endurance and discernment. Rather than decoding signs, this episode invites listeners to consider how Jesus forms his disciples to remain faithful, awake, and grounded when everything they once trusted begins to fall apart.