Out Of Programme
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The Out Of Programme (OOP) podcast shines a spotlight on clinicians who have ventured beyond the traditional path of clinical training to forge unique and unconventional careers. Hosted by Drs Jing and Muhammad, this series delves into the diverse backgrounds, driving motivations and transformative moments that shaped their journeys outside the realm of medicine. Whether you’re a clinician curious about life beyond the white coat or simply fascinated by stories of bold career reinvention, this podcast offers inspiring conversations and thought-provoking insights that go beyond the ordinary.
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This podcast explores themes around career reinvention within the healthcare sector, highlighting episodes such as Dr. Jing's transition from medicine to entrepreneurship with Patchwork and Liz Ashall-Payne's journey from speech and language therapist to CEO of ORCHA. Specific focus areas include digital health, mentorship, identity transitions, and the challenges faced by medical professionals moving into new roles.

The Out Of Programme (OOP) podcast shines a spotlight on clinicians who have ventured beyond the traditional path of clinical training to forge unique and unconventional careers.
Hosted by Dr Jing Ouyang, this series delves into the diverse backgrounds, driving motivations and transformative moments that shaped their journeys outside the realm of medicine. Whether you’re a clinician curious about life beyond the white coat or simply fascinated by stories of bold career reinvention, this podcast offers inspiring conversations and thought-provoking insights that go beyond the ordinary.
What happens when a 17-year-old starts medical school, burns out in second year, and later cold-messages her way from GP training into building a certified clinical AI triage engine at Visiba?
In this episode, we speak with Dr Katherine Leung, NHS GP, Clinical Product Owner at Visiba, and YouTuber making videos for doctors on medical careers and the move from clinical work into tech.
🎓 Growing up in Hong Kong, starting medical school at 17, and burning out in second year while running one of the biggest student societies at her university
📊 Her Topol Digital Health Fellowship study of nearly 1,000 e-consults, where around 75% still led to a phone or face-to-face appointment and a quarter came back within two weeks
💡 Cold-messaging about 10 clinicians on LinkedIn, joining the first BiteLabs cohort, and being hired by Dr Annabelle Painter to build Visiba’s triage engine, now a certified medical device
🎥 Missing patients during a two-month break after CCT, staying a locum GP two to three sessions a week, and the GP training video that reached around 70,000 views
Katherine’s story is a masterclass in spotting the gap between how things are meant to work and how they actually do, whether that is an e-consult tool, a training rotation, or your own career plan.
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