Out Of Programme
Podcast Description
The Out Of Programme (OOP) podcast shines a spotlight on clinicians who have ventured beyond the traditional path of clinical training to forge unique and unconventional careers. Hosted by Drs Jing and Muhammad, this series delves into the diverse backgrounds, driving motivations and transformative moments that shaped their journeys outside the realm of medicine. Whether you’re a clinician curious about life beyond the white coat or simply fascinated by stories of bold career reinvention, this podcast offers inspiring conversations and thought-provoking insights that go beyond the ordinary.
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This podcast explores themes around career reinvention within the healthcare sector, highlighting episodes such as Dr. Jing's transition from medicine to entrepreneurship with Patchwork and Liz Ashall-Payne's journey from speech and language therapist to CEO of ORCHA. Specific focus areas include digital health, mentorship, identity transitions, and the challenges faced by medical professionals moving into new roles.

The Out Of Programme (OOP) podcast shines a spotlight on clinicians who have ventured beyond the traditional path of clinical training to forge unique and unconventional careers.
Hosted by Dr Jing Ouyang, this series delves into the diverse backgrounds, driving motivations and transformative moments that shaped their journeys outside the realm of medicine. Whether you’re a clinician curious about life beyond the white coat or simply fascinated by stories of bold career reinvention, this podcast offers inspiring conversations and thought-provoking insights that go beyond the ordinary.
What happens when a 15-year-old starts a mental health blog to survive stigma, and a decade later is still running the national charity it became, while becoming the first LTFT foundation doctor in his hospital and building innovation inside Alder Hey?
In this episode, we speak with Dr Shantanu Kundu, foundation doctor, Chief Executive of the Be Free Campaign, NHS Clinical Entrepreneur, and innovation consultant at Alder Hey Children's Hospital.
📝 Lived experience of youth mental health and stigma in an ethnic minority community, and how a teenage blog grew into Be Free
🌱 Scaling a youth-led charity from a £300 O2 seed grant into a national organisation spanning community delivery, campaigning, and commercial ventures
🏥 Being the first person in his hospital to do a 60% foundation programme, and what the system still cannot flex around
💡 Finding Alder Hey innovation (and Ian Hennessey) before he was even a doctor, and designing pathways that spread children's innovation beyond tertiary centres
Shantanu's story is a masterclass in building from lived experience, refusing a single track, and making the NHS and charity worlds flex around the impact you want to have.
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