Out Of Programme
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The Out Of Programme (OOP) podcast shines a spotlight on clinicians who have ventured beyond the traditional path of clinical training to forge unique and unconventional careers. Hosted by Drs Jing and Muhammad, this series delves into the diverse backgrounds, driving motivations and transformative moments that shaped their journeys outside the realm of medicine. Whether you’re a clinician curious about life beyond the white coat or simply fascinated by stories of bold career reinvention, this podcast offers inspiring conversations and thought-provoking insights that go beyond the ordinary.
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This podcast explores themes around career reinvention within the healthcare sector, highlighting episodes such as Dr. Jing's transition from medicine to entrepreneurship with Patchwork and Liz Ashall-Payne's journey from speech and language therapist to CEO of ORCHA. Specific focus areas include digital health, mentorship, identity transitions, and the challenges faced by medical professionals moving into new roles.

The Out Of Programme (OOP) podcast shines a spotlight on clinicians who have ventured beyond the traditional path of clinical training to forge unique and unconventional careers.
Hosted by Dr Jing Ouyang, this series delves into the diverse backgrounds, driving motivations and transformative moments that shaped their journeys outside the realm of medicine. Whether you’re a clinician curious about life beyond the white coat or simply fascinated by stories of bold career reinvention, this podcast offers inspiring conversations and thought-provoking insights that go beyond the ordinary.
What happens when a South African anaesthetist survives cerebral oedema on Everest, bootstraps an NHS appraisal platform with no external funding, and sells it to one of the UK's fastest-growing health tech companies?
In this episode, we speak with Dr Patrick Doyle, a consultant anaesthetist who founded L2P — the leading platform for job planning, appraisals and revalidation — which was acquired by Patchwork Health after 15 years of growth.
- 🏔️ Surviving Everest — getting cerebral oedema at Camp 3, being unconscious overnight, and walking down the next day before the team even started the clinical research
- 💼 How a ”pain point” — endlessly emailing regulatory paperwork to different organisations — became L2P, born in 2009 and initially 10 years ahead of the market
- 🚀 Bootstrapping the whole way — bank loans, a mortgage extension and a bounce-back loan instead of VC, and watching every single penny
- 🔁 Life after acquisition — handing over the mundane stuff, getting back to research, and writing up his Everest paper with AI in half an hour
Patrick's story is a masterclass in bootstrapping a niche NHS product to a successful exit — and knowing when the time is right to hand it over.
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