Out Of Programme
Podcast Description
The Out Of Programme (OOP) podcast shines a spotlight on clinicians who have ventured beyond the traditional path of clinical training to forge unique and unconventional careers. Hosted by Drs Jing and Muhammad, this series delves into the diverse backgrounds, driving motivations and transformative moments that shaped their journeys outside the realm of medicine. Whether you’re a clinician curious about life beyond the white coat or simply fascinated by stories of bold career reinvention, this podcast offers inspiring conversations and thought-provoking insights that go beyond the ordinary.
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This podcast explores themes around career reinvention within the healthcare sector, highlighting episodes such as Dr. Jing's transition from medicine to entrepreneurship with Patchwork and Liz Ashall-Payne's journey from speech and language therapist to CEO of ORCHA. Specific focus areas include digital health, mentorship, identity transitions, and the challenges faced by medical professionals moving into new roles.

The Out Of Programme (OOP) podcast shines a spotlight on clinicians who have ventured beyond the traditional path of clinical training to forge unique and unconventional careers.
Hosted by Dr Jing Ouyang, this series delves into the diverse backgrounds, driving motivations and transformative moments that shaped their journeys outside the realm of medicine. Whether you’re a clinician curious about life beyond the white coat or simply fascinated by stories of bold career reinvention, this podcast offers inspiring conversations and thought-provoking insights that go beyond the ordinary.
What happens when a junior doctor leads the biggest NHS dispute in a generation — and then builds a global medical education organisation?
In this episode, we speak with Dr Johann Malawana, an obstetrician and former chair of the BMA's Junior Doctors Committee during the high-profile 2015-2016 contract dispute. He is now the founder and CEO of Medics.Academy, a global health education company, and holds several senior academic roles.
• 🏥 How Johann fell into medical school politics — and ended up chairing the BMA
• ⚕️ The reality of leading industrial action during the junior doctors contract battle
• 🧠 Why he founded Medics.Academy and scaled it into a global edtech platform
• 🔧 Lessons from balancing clinical practice with entrepreneurship and academic leadership
• ⚖️ The importance of maintaining your clinical identity while building outside medicine
• 📈 How to navigate high-stakes negotiations and emerge with your principles intact
Johann's story is a masterclass in leadership under pressure, taking calculated risks, and building a career that spans clinical practice, politics, and technology — without losing sight of what matters.
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