Kevin and Axel discuss why you may need to think bigger than your goals, even when those goals already feel ambitious. Kevin looks back on reaching the financial target he set when he was young and realizing afterward that he had underestimated what was possible.

The conversation also explores Axel’s characteristics of a good man, the “list nobody hands you,” learning to be alone, keeping promises to yourself, remembering kindness, and leaving people and places better than you found them. Kevin also shares the riskiest business decision he made and what he would tell his angry 14-year-old self.

⏰ Timestamps:

00:00 – Coming Up
00:32 – Kevin and Axel at the Bar
01:47 – Axel’s Characteristics of a Good Man
05:32 – The List Nobody Hands You
08:23 – Learning to Be Alone
10:21 – Making People Feel Important
12:32 – Keeping Promises to Yourself
13:44 – Remembering Kindness
15:10 – Think Bigger Than Your Goals
17:52 – Kevin’s Riskiest Business Decision
19:32 – Advice to His 14-Year-Old Self
21:23 – Cold Rooms and Shirtless Interviews

📌 Key Topics:

• Why reaching a goal can reveal that you aimed too low
• The overlooked characteristics that make a good man
• Leaving people and places better than you found them
• Learning to be alone and becoming comfortable with boredom
• Keeping promises to yourself and building accountability
• Remembering the people who believed in you
• Taking a business risk that affects your family
• What Kevin would tell his angry 14-year-old self

🎙️ About Making a Man:

On Making a Man, we have honest conversations about what it takes to grow, succeed, and become a well-balanced person. Kevin and Axel sit down with men who have done meaningful things in their lives and learn from the experience, perspective, mistakes, and wisdom they have earned along the way.

We talk about discipline, confidence, responsibility, leadership, purpose, family, success, and the lessons that help young people become more capable adults. The goal is not hype or quick motivation. It is practical wisdom, real conversation, and perspective that can help the next generation grow into stronger, more grounded people.

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