Subversive
Subversive
Podcast Description
Subversive is a podcast dedicated to sharing stories from the best consumer subscription apps in the world. We'll bring you lessons for how to grow your consumer subscription business, including insights and inflection points that led to exponential growth from leaders at category-defining companies and innovative startups.
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The podcast covers a range of topics related to consumer subscription models, including international expansion, product-market fit, and user acquisition strategies, with episodes detailing companies like Ladder's coaching model on TikTok and Canva's pricing adaptations for global markets.

Subversive is a podcast dedicated to sharing stories from the best consumer subscription apps in the world. We’ll bring you lessons for how to grow your consumer subscription business, including insights and inflection points that led to exponential growth from leaders at category-defining companies and innovative startups.
Coco Mao is the cofounder and CEO of OpenArt, an AI-powered creative platform that enables anyone to generate images and videos from simple text prompts. Since launching OpenArt in 2022, Coco has led the company through rapid growth, expanding from generative art tools to its new “One-Click Story” video feature and scaling revenue to over $30M in ARR. Prior to OpenArt, Coco spent several years at Google, where she worked on search as well as experimental products like Tangi, which focused on short-form creative content. She holds a degree in Computer Science from Carnegie Mellon University.
Key Takeaways:
- After spending seven years at Google, including stints working on search and short-form video content, Coco left in 2022 with her cofounder, John Qiao, to cofound OpenArt as an AI platform for visual content creation.
- One of the keys to OpenArt’s initial success was building a community where content creators could not only see what images other people were generating, but the specific prompts they were using to create these images.
- In addition to word of mouth, OpenArt leaned into programmatic SEO as an early growth strategy by creating templatized pages that ranked for longtail keywords like “3D Art Generator” or “D&D Image Generator” that drove thousands of visits.
- OpenArt eventually pivoted from image generation to video generation, which required changes to the company’s core product offering, go to market strategy, and subscription pricing and packaging model.
- The center of OpenArt continues to be its highly-engaged creator community. While AI may soon surpass human intelligence, Coco believes that humans will always have a desire to create, and OpenArt’s mission is to use technology to help people all over the world express themselves through visual stories.
Coco Mao:
- Website: https://openart.ai/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kechunmao/
- X: https://x.com/openart_ai
Phil Carter:
- Website: https://www.philgcarter.com
- Substack: https://philgcarter.substack.com
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philgcarter
- X: https://x.com/philgcarter
Podcast Production by Podders: https://podders.io

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