In this episode of Vital Conversations, host Tim Coan sits down with longtime friend and public health leader Jim Haveman for an extraordinary discussion that bridges domestic policy and international diplomacy. Jim recounts his unconventional journey from social work to leading Michigan’s $18 billion health department, and eventually serving as the acting Minister of Health in post-war Iraq. His stories go far beyond typical healthcare leadership—he shares how he rebuilt systems, empowered local leaders, and practiced humility while navigating both partisan U.S. politics and the volatile streets of Baghdad.

Listeners will gain rare insights into how to unite people with opposing agendas—whether negotiating Medicaid expansion in a divided legislature or rebuilding a healthcare system with no infrastructure. Jim’s leadership lessons are laced with wit, real-world strategy, and a human-centered approach that feels especially relevant today. Tune in to hear how listening, compromise, and walking the streets—not just sitting in boardrooms—can drive lasting impact.