Everyone knows the startup-founded-in-a-garage origin story, but Kinde cofounder David Berner can top that.

He was in a caravan travelling in outback NSW with his family, with his two cofounders in Sydney, when they built their developer platform, which takes care of “the boring but essential stuff” to help founders move faster.

Kinde in a rare-breed, with two technical cofounders, and Dave adventures led him to settle in the hinterland behind Byron Bay to raise his family of three kids, which the startup’s team also stretches from Sydney to London.

Episode 25 of Startup 360 discusses his love of music, the importance of creativity for founders, and life as a country dad running a high-tech business – he keeps his kids well away from screen addiction, arguing that if his parents can get proficient on an iPhone, there’s no need for their grandkids to be early adopters.

Cohosts Majella Campbell and Simon Thomsen also caught up with industry legend Murray Hurps from UTS Startups and the founder of the annual national ecosystem survey Startup Muster.

There’s a songline between Murray and Majella as the former and current CEOs of Fishburners, and how evolving technology is transforming the role of founder.

For a kid who dropped out of school to play around with software, and now runs a thriving university startup community, Murray has some firm views of learning and education, as well as  entrepreneurship as the “exploitation of privilege”.

Majella asked him for advice on how to be a successful founder and Murray turned to the wisdom of Fishburners cofounder Pete Davidson.

“Find someone that shares your circumstances, that has done what you’re trying to do, figure out how they did it, and then copy them quickly and do it better,” he said.

Startup 360 is more founder fund than founder mode. It’s all about finding out what makes people tick and staying human.

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